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List:       kde-user
Subject:    Re: KDE 1.1.2
From:       Mosfet <mosfet () jorsm ! com>
Date:       1999-08-13 5:06:46
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On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, dep wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Mosfet wrote:
> |KDE2.0 betas will be released well before next year. We don't really know yet
> |when the final release will be. It's hard to tell with free software projects,
> |people tend not to do anything for a few weeks in CVS then make huge commits.
> 
> true. though it's to be noted that 1.2, or 1.1.2, or whatever it ends
> up being called, was to have been done by now, and it's some weeks
> away. admittedly, developing for 1.X isn't as exciting as 2.0 is, but
> the next version that will have the kde stamp on it is of some

The main delay is with artwork now, not code.

> importance. the 1.89 beta thing seems to have fallen pretty flat as
> an idea, and i don't think anybody wants to rush to release. i really
> doubt that there will be a beta that is close to a release candidate
> before, say, february. and no, this isn't fud but instead an
> observation based on the kind of care that time has demonstrated goes
> into a kde release. 

KDE does take it's time doing official releases, as it should. KDE has a history
of not releasing things until it's deemed ready. Doing otherwise is
unfair to users, who after all can always try out the development versions
themselves. Nonetheless the past weeks have involved rounds of bugfixing by a
lot of developers and things are looking a lot better in my opinion. Of course,
I am only one person but I was one of the people originally against making a
beta release in the near future. I no longer feel that way.

> 
> |The CVS is shaping up nicely tho IMHO. There is some obvious loose ends that
> |need to be wrapped up but both the amount of development by mostly volunteer
> |programmers and the quality is real high at this point.
> 
> true, but we need to remember that the last 20 percent is what takes
> 80 percent of the time. which is as it should be. kde is the standard
> desktop now, and it ought to be beaten to death before it is
> released. the whole linux paradigm is changing. look at just the user
> list. the fact that kde tops most distributions now has changed the
> entire flavor of the list. this will become more rather than less.
> which is fine, but it is also different.
> 

Sure, but we actually have gotten people to do that last 20% it seems. There
are volunteers sitting around doing the boring work of bugfixing and general
optimizations that is required before a release. I feel a little guilty because
I was one of the people that whined and moaned that this needed to happen and
am not fixing much these days (I have been designing new stuff recently), but
people have taken initative on this. 

Don't get me wrong, KDE2 Beta1 won't be released next week ;-) It is a major
release with *a lot* of new applications and functionality. It's not all
complete just yet. I am just saying that we are getting there faster than I
would have expected considering what KDE2 will do.

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