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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: [KDE Usability] KMix UI orientation
From:       David Edmundson <david () davidedmundson ! co ! uk>
Date:       2012-05-19 13:04:32
Message-ID: CAGeFrHAPzPAqFfd-XitNJirkyoEP9N9C=p+nShTFMA46LBET9w () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:50 PM, David Edmundson
<david@davidedmundson.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Anne Wilson <annew@kde.org> wrote:
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>> On 19/05/12 12:47, David Edmundson wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Eike Hein <hein@kde.org> wrote:
>>>> On 05/17/2012 08:50 PM, Trever Fischer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm starting to have a look at a lot of the papercuts in
>>>>> kdemultimedia, trying to polish up all the little details that
>>>>> bother me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's my first question:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does KMix really need vertical slider orientation?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, I recently had some involvement with this one ...
>>>>
>>>> - KMix has an option to select the orientation, but the tray
>>>> popup used to ignore this setting; only the main window would
>>>> follow it.
>>>>
>>>> - The tray popup used to use vertical orientation, and from the
>>>> above, this meant that setting the orientation to horizontal
>>>> would have no effect on the popup.
>>>>
>>>> - One of the early KDE 4.8.x releases introduced a change that
>>>> made the popup use horizontal orientation, again regardless of
>>>> the setting. Immediately we got angry users on #kde who despised
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't give in to any few "angry users". Whatever you do you upset
>>> some chump who just hates anything being different to before,
>>> probably hasn't tried the new system long enough to try and like
>>> it, and they're not always (or rarely) representative of the
>>> general user base.
>>>
>>> If you constantly change to offer what every angry person says you
>>> risk ending up with an app that's full of bloat, countless options
>>> which are both now impossible to use for the general populous and
>>> now impossible to maintain too.
>>>
>> Irrelevant to this conversation.
>>
>>> (I risk taking this conversation down a tangent, but the point is
>>> if this list suggests something, and you try it and it works well,
>>> don't give in to pressure from noisy twats.)
>>>
>> Not agreeing with you, or disliking your proposal, doesn't make anyone
>> a noisy twat.  Please show some respect.
>>
> Sorry, language didn't translate well. That's not what I meant or
> should have typed.
>
> I reacted badly to the phrase "angry users on IRC". I've dealt with
> some, I'm sure we all have, and in some cases they're not
> representative.
> I deliberately didn't relate it to this conversation, but if someone
> comes on IRC and says "there should be an option to have them at a 45
> degree angle" and kicks up a fuss, as a developer you shouldn't cower
> to what they say if you think or have evidence that the general
> userbase thinks differently.
>
Edit: expanding on that, there's clearly (non-angry) consensus here
that vertical is still a preferred sensible layout.
and on that basis, relating it back to the original conversation, I
don't think it should be removed.

>> Oddly enough, software is for users, not for developers.  In many
>> cases we can simply change to another application if we are not happy.
>>  This is not so, in the case of kmix.  Keep the option, please.  If
>> horizontal is so much better it will gradually become the accepted and
>> the default.
>>
>> Anne
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