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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: [KDE Usability] On the future of the menubar
From:       James Tyrer <jrtyrer () earthlink ! net>
Date:       2010-02-26 20:43:36
Message-ID: 4B883278.9060104 () earthlink ! net
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Ben Cooksley wrote:
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> Replacing the toolbar with a menu bar would be terrible... and that 
> would still cause a HIG violation since the Search bar would have to
>  be put into the menu, which would also make it extremely
> inconsistent for the Mac platform, since the menu bar would have to
> be shown on the app itself.
> 

IIRC, this type of argument is called a "Straw Man".

Please look at the gnome-control-center.  The Filter "bar" isn't either
place.  The Filter window should not be in the MenuBar.  What I said was
that if vertical space was that important that you could consider having
both the MenuBar and a ToolBar on the same line.

Having the Filter window in the ToolBar is problematic since it means
that the ToolBar does not work well with a vertical orientation.  This 
could be addressed by having a separate ToolBar for the Filter window.

Clearly, where to place the Filter window is an issue.  With the
Classical Tree View, this doesn't have to be a problem since it could be
at the top of the sidebar.

>>>> The question which I think needs to be considered is whether it
>>>>  should be permissible for the MenuBar and a ToolBar to appear 
>>>> on the same line the way the multiple ToolBars are.  If this 
>>>> were allowed, it should resolve the problem since a MenuBar 
>>>> with only:
>>>> 
>>>> File Go Settings Help
>>>> 
>>>> isn't going to take much space -- less than half of the screen 
>>>> width.
>>>> 
>>> This is completely non-standard with other platforms, and will 
>>> likely introduce more issues....
>>> 
>> That sounds a whole lot like: "Windows doesn't do it this way, so 
>> neither should we". I do agree that consistency with other 
>> platforms should be a consideration, but it should not prevent KDE 
>> from improving. How many other platforms have desktops in which the
>>  user cannot put icons of his files and most-used applications?
> 
> It isn't. I am not aware of any platform ( GNOME, Mac or Windows ) 
> which does this in its control center application....
> 
I note that GNOME doesn't really have an application.  The GNOME Control
Center is really just a dialog box.

> Plasma has supported that for a long time... either as Folderview or
> as general shortcuts....

Please read postings before commenting.  He said _icons_of_..._files_. 
Is this feature in TRUNK?  It certainly doesn't work with KDE-4.4.  You 
can not simply place a file on the DeskTop, you much create a widget for 
it.  This means that you must first "Unlock Widgets" and the widget for 
the file is not the same as a file icon.  The file must also exist 
somewhere else, it does not have the context menu which a file icon has, 
and you can not use the widget to delete or trash the file.  When I 
create such a widget, it doesn't even have the correct icon.

-- 
James Tyrer

Linux (mostly) From Scratch
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