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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Ctrl-Q vs. Ctrl-W vs. Alt-F4
From:       Markus <kamikazow () web ! de>
Date:       2009-01-15 8:39:09
Message-ID: 200901150939.09208.kamikazow () web ! de
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Am Montag 12 Januar 2009 17:15:41 schrieb Celeste Lyn Paul:
> On Monday 12 January 2009 10:50:57 am Markus wrote:
> > I don't see what the dramatic outcome of a quit app is -- especially with
> > the "Recent Applications" menu, but whatever.
>
> (I just had a nice conversation with Canonical's MPT about this)
>
> It's a problem now because not all applications start up in 2 seconds or
> less. Especially since netbooks sacrifice performance over form factor and
> KDE has a lot of interest in running on mobile devices which have fewer
> available resources.
>
> When all of our KDE applications can swiftly open without users feeling
> like the application is "loading" then I think Ctrl+W to close the last
> document and application will make more sense. So think of it as a
> long-term temporary condition.

I really understand your argument, but I think Canonical has a strange idea 
what the purpose of netbooks is. As the name *net*book says, these things are 
for internet-related tasks: Browsing the web, writing e-mail, chatting.

I have two applications installed that start rather slow: OpenOffice and GIMP.
Neither is a KDE app and with the exception of OpenOffice Writer (writing a 
letter occasionally), the remaining apps (OO Impress and other OO components, 
as well as image editing with GIMP) are not in the scope of the netbook target 
audience.
Thanks to KDE's design to resuse components where possible, most code for a 
KDE app is in memory anyway.
Take the "hard code" app Kdenlive for example: The loading task that is time 
consuming is not the application itself, but the documents. The app starts in 
the blink of an eye.
So, when documents can be closed with Ctrl-W, whole apps can be closed as 
well.

So back to browsing, e-mailing, chatting:
Konqueror starts fast.
KMail starts a bit slower, but can run in the tray -- so Ctrl-W wouldn't quit 
it.
Same with Kopete.

If I totally get the target audience of netbooks wrong and there are must-have 
KDE apps that start slow, I'll withdraw my objections. I just think that many 
users quit apps accidentally and the outcome would be disastrous is no real-
world scenario.

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