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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Interface concept: Collapsing menu line
From:       Milan Krivda <swalko12 () gmail ! com>
Date:       2008-04-20 6:22:13
Message-ID: 1208672533.6507.15.camel () DELO
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This idea may look good on paper. In a practice Internet Explorer 7 uses
this concept. Menu is hidden most of working time. Hiding and showing
menu (if you want save page, ...) is rapidly slowing work. Another icon
on title bar? Modern way is simplification of gui, grouping toolbar
button functions and reducing number of visual elements. Mac OS X
windows without menubars look beautiful, but Mac OS X has completely
different gui concept. You cannot take feature from one gui and apply it
to another completely different gui.


On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 16:34 -0600, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Friday 18 April 2008, Daniel Aleksandersen wrote:
> > The advantage to Mac OS's approach is that the menu line does not take up
> > so much space;
> 
> if you think about it for a moment, you'll see that this actually is 
> irrelevant. what is true is that all menu bars take up more space in with the 
> non-mac way, but that is, from a window content's perspective, irrelevant. 
> the same screen real estate is available to each.
> 
> > thus allowing for smaller windows and easier window 
> > management for multiple windows.
> 
> smaller windows in less space, sure. easier window management? doubtful.
> 
> > The golden middle way is having it both ways. By having it underneath the
> > window titles, and not having it underneath the window titles. I am not
> > contradicting myself, but I am talking about collapsing (or hiding) the
> > menu line when it is not in use. Imagine:
> 
> many kde apps support the ctrl-M shortcut to show/hide the menubar. it 
> requires adding a context menu item so people can get it back, so it isn't 
> there by default in every kde window.
> 
> i personally don't think that adding more icons to the menu or window title 
> bar are worth any improvement that would bring with it.
> 
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