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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Taskbar RMB popup layout
From:       "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo () kde ! org>
Date:       2005-03-09 15:52:21
Message-ID: 200503090852.23384.aseigo () kde ! org
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On Wednesday 09 March 2005 07:20, Lubos Lunak wrote:
>  Have there been any discussions about it, and if yes, where? I'd like to
> have a look.

hrm.. bugs.kde.org and between Stefan and myself ...

>  I personally consider the new layout to be a regression (ok, so this is
> not really a question).

yes, everytime something is changed in the least someone somewhere considers 
it a regression. to improve or not to improve, this is the question.

> - The close button is now bottommost, and while that might be ok if it was
> so from the beginning, given that it didn't used to be that way, I've
> managed to accidentally close several windows during the last couple of
> days.

blame the person who originally organized the taskbar menu who put the Close 
entry in the _wrong_ place. Quit/Close goes at the bottom of the menu. the 
reason for this are many and well established. this is, if anything, a 
styleguide and usability bug fix.

> - The 'To desktop' and 'To current desktop' entries have been moved 
> higher and to the middle of the entries, which makes them rather hard to
> reach.

i agree that having the Advanced menu at the top is a bit silly. perhaps 
moving it to below Shade would make sense. if it's "Advanced" settings, it's 
not likely the most used item. in fact, it should be filled with some of the 
more esoteric items.

i'd like to see these changes be made consistently in both kwin and the 
taskbar, however.

> And these two entries are probably the only entries (maybe besides 
> 'Close') that really make sense in the taskbar RMB, because these
> operations are hard to do otherwise. Especially the 'To current desktop'
> action.

people requested various of those other items. so yes, people do go there to 
select "move", for instance. why? because the window may not be easily 
accessible (e.g. off screen, or in the case of one reporter on a different 
Xinerama screen which had been removed, of all things).

and this does reinforce the concept that this is the "window menu". it gives 
us one less menu for people to learn, as they are now consistent amongst the 
places they appear.

> - The fact that the popup now has got more actions makes it only worse,
> especially given that some of those don't make much sense. Would anybody
> ever go to taskbar for 'Shade'?

becaues they see the taskbar button as an alternative to the window titlebar. 
which it is in some ways.

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Aaron J. Seigo
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