'Re: Bookmark Partway Through Page?'

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Subject:    Re: Bookmark Partway Through Page?
From:       Manuel Amador <rudd-o () amautacorp ! com>
Date:       2004-06-15 19:16:54
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I actually do the same.  I simply shove the konq window into another
desktop, and if I have to go, I clse the session.  When I return, they
all reopen fine.  But I can see that being a problem for e.g. dialup
users where Konq wouldn't open a window with the failed URL but only a
dialog box saying "XXXX could not be found" which is REALLY annoying.

El vie, 11-06-2004 a las 01:23, Jeff Marder escribiÃ³:
> Hello all.  I'm new here.  I could be wrong, but I just don't see this
> being useful for the masses.  While it would be kind of neat,  I think
> occasions where a feature like this would be used are few and far
> between.  I can't think of many situations where this would be used
> other than the one you described.  When I find myself in a situation
> like this I am most likely to just leave the browser window open so I
> can easily pick up where I left off later on.  If I don't want this
> browser window in my face while I'm working on something else I can
> minimize it or move it to a different desktop.  Though others may have
> different habits, I just can't see this being used on a regular basis.
>  Someone also mentioned issues with dynamic pages.  Considering that
> the vast majority of web pages are dynamic the frequency of occasions
> where this feature might be used is even further reduced.  On top of
> it all, there is the risk of introducing another usability issue with
> accidental bookmarks in the middle of a page.  I don't know about
> everyone else, but I would find this extremely irritating.  More than
> a few 'accidents' and I'd be likely to switch to another browser if
> the feature couldn't be turned off.  Don't get me wrong- I don't think
> it's a bad idea and I don't think features should be left out if they
> would improve usability, even if only for a minority of users.  It's
> just that the implementation we're discussing would have a broad
> impact that some would find detrimental to the quality of the
> application.  I don't have a better suggestion at the moment, but
> let's keep brainstorming and see where this goes.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:43:35 -0400, Jamethiel Knorth
> <jamethknorth@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >From: Manuel Amador <rudd-o@amautacorp.com>
> > >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:25:14 -0500
> > >
> > >This is a good idea.  I actually wouldn't mind 'accidental'
> > >bookmarks-in-the-middle-of-the-page.
> > 
> > My real question is, just how much of a problem would 'accidental'
> > bookmarks-in-the-middle-of-the-page be?
> > 
> > Is it the majority case or the minority case that people wish to return to
> > the exact same point in a document?
> > 
> > Also, what would the result be on dynamic pages? I think the current refresh
> > setting in Konqueror is to only return to the same point if the page is
> > identical. Would leaving it like that avoid most problems.
> > 
> > >El miÃƒ ©, 09-06-2004 a las 18:57, Jamethiel Knorth escribiÃƒ ³:
> > 
> > 
> > > > Okay, I'm rather busy and won't go in depth on this idea, but I thought
> > >I'd
> > > > toss it out there:
> > > >
> > > > While reading something online today, I had to leave to do something and
> > > > leave that alone. I bookmarked it so I could go back to it. However, the
> > > > page is huge. It probably has several thousand lines. I know I was
> > >around a
> > > > third of the way through, but it will take me twenty minutes to find my
> > > > place again.
> > > >
> > > > To solve this sort of problem, is there a way to work in bookmarking not
> > > > only a page, but also a position in it?
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure how well this would work. Off the top of my head, the
> > >problems
> > > > are that it would most likely need to be done automatically and would
> > >end up
> > > > being used accidentally, that it adds another option for users to deal
> > >with,
> > > > and that it would be broken on any dynamic pages.
> > > >
> > > > The only solutions I see for that are to have an option in the bookmark
> > > > editor to turn off remembering the location on the page. Accidental
> > >usage
> > > > might be high because I suspect many users bookmark pages after being at
> > > > them for a bit and realizing they'll want to come back.
> > > >
> > > > This is what I've got after two minutes and fifty-three seconds of
> > >typing
> > > > and thinking, and I need to get going again.
> > 
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