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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: OS X style dock
From:       Rob H <rob_h_kde () yahoo ! co ! uk>
Date:       2004-04-30 11:07:53
Message-ID: 20040430110753.22233.qmail () web25203 ! mail ! ukl ! yahoo ! com
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Hi,

I'd say that if you enable this option, all kde
applications should go to the system tray regardless
of whether there are open windows or not. I'd be in
favour of not changing taskbar functionality.

People can then add a different applet to the panel
that would integrate the system tray, task bar and
application buttons into one collection of icons.

I guess the main reason is to significantly reduce the
time required to load programs when constantly
switching from task to task. It is a real pain to
constantly have to remember to keep one openoffice
window open. How many inexperienced computer users
would accidentally close all of the windows of
openoffice then realise they have to wait ages for it
to start again?

Apple is very careful with their user interface
designs, and I think that the fact that their
operating systems behave this way is one of the
reasons that people are satisfied with the speed of
their macs for longer than pcs.

Many programs on macs aren't designed to work this
way. For example: real player. It doesn't seem to be a
huge problem because people quickly learn which
applications do and do not keep running after all of
their windows have been closed.

APIs in OpenOffice 2.0 are being carefully designed
for this to work as it is required for a native OS X
version. Also, look at mozilla - it has distinct close
and quit entries in the file menu.

People learn to close applications when their computer
slows down due to having too many applications open.
This isn't usually needed as people generally quit the
applications they have finished using.

Please don't dismiss this idea quickly. Ask any OS X
user- they love it.

cheers,
Rob

 --- Dan Jensen <admin@leinir.dk> wrote: > -----BEGIN
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> On Fredag 30 april 2004 12:00,
> kde-usability-request@kde.org wrote:
> > On 2004-04-30 10:39:57, Rob H wrote:
> > > In OS X, when you close all the windows of an
> > > application, the application itself does not
> usually
> > > close. The application keeps running and the
> dock
> > > indicates this.
> > > To close the application you have to click
> file|quit,
> > > or press mac-q.
> >
> > Please elaborate on the reasoning for this
> behaviour. Isn't it more
> > logical that the application stops when there is
> no further use
> > for it?
> 
>   The reason for this is the same thought patterns
> that lay behind the 
> decision for the option to keep a copy of Konqueror
> in memory: It makes it 
> seem as if the program loads faster the second time
> you open it.
>   And I agree with you that, if implemented, it
> should be an option (though 
> probably hidden somewhere in the control panel, it's
> already too large as we 
> all know).
> 
>   Also, from a programatical point of view, I
> believe that it will not take 
> all that much to get this implemented into KDE,
> because of DCOP. Programmers 
> only have to change the programs to say Close in
> stead of Quit in the file 
> menus (and of course do the programming to fit), and
> leave the programs 
> running per default. That way, with the program
> links done properly (i.e. 
> 'dcop konqueror* openBrowserWindow($1)' or somesuch)
> well, there we go :) 
> Just a possibility :)
> 
>   But, when this is said, we need a way to show it
> properly in the task bar. 
> Maybe with the program name, shown as if they are
> minimized?
> 
> - -- 
> ..Dan // Leinir..
> http://www.leinir.dk/mindripple/
> 
> "A vast swimmer keeps no pets"
>  -Seamus Harper, Andromeda 1:14
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