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Subject:    Re: Cleaning up KDE: Konqueror-Toolbars and the Kicker
From:       Leo Savernik <l.savernik () aon ! at>
Date:       2004-03-30 9:55:31
Message-ID: 200403301156.28133.l.savernik () aon ! at
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Am Montag 29 März 2004 21:15 schrieb Janne Ojaniemi:
> On Monday 29 March 2004 20:59, you wrote:
[...]
> > Ahem. If you argument like that, *every* toolbar button is redundant and
> > must be removed.
>
> If the activity can be easily reached from some other location, then yes,
> it should be removed for the sake of clarity. If you can copy through RMB,
> the menubar and through keyboard-shortcut, why should we have a separate
> copy-button cluttering the toolbar?

So you're actually confirming that every button should be removed. Up, 
Forward, Back, and Home are reachable through the Go menu, Forward, Back, and 
Reload through the context menu, and Reload, and Stop by the View menu.

[...]
> you are not
> constantly changing the size of the fonts.

Often enough to justify it.
>
[...]
> tweak my system), but the UI could be streamlined in other areas (such as
> toolbars and context-menus).

Streamlining is not impossible, but it quickly evolves into a (wrong) 
simplification: less buttons == more usability.

[...]
>
> In order for app to be usable, it does not have to have as many actions as
> possible in the toolbar IMO. the ones that are used the most, sure.

Well, konqueror doesn't have as many actions as possible, it only features 
more than "those other user agents" as they are deemed to increase usability.

Removing buttons like print, print frame, find, and security should be not too 
troublesome today, but other buttons like zooming still make surfing the web 
of today which is quite non-standardized, more useable.

I'm opposing the removal of cut, copy, and paste as:
- - it is possible to cut, copy and paste text from/to konqueror.
- - the kde style guide strongly suggests to include those actions.
(I don't use them, so I won't complain if they're actually removed.)

mfg
	Leo
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