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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Suggestion to change how systray apps can be closed/minimized
From:       Datschge <datschge () gmx ! de>
Date:       2004-03-25 20:22:43
Message-ID: 200403252120.04221.datschge () gmx ! de
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>  While from a different point of view, it is not actually a window
> ;).

It is a visible instance of a program which keeps the program from 
stopping running. If all visible instances are closes the program is 
quit automatically [1]. Strictly put both the ability to minimize 
windows to the taskbar as well as having visible instances of 
programs in the systray are very abstract and could be considered 
inconsistent with the rest of the window metaphor [2].

> So, would it make sense to have extra titlebar button for going 
> to systray, next to the closing one (which would then use the
> different point of view and quit the app)? I've been recently
> considering implementing #22375, in which case it'd be somewhat
> stupid to have it working differently than it'd work in e.g.
> kopete.

As I wrote in the report itself [3] I'm against turning the systray 
into yet another taskbar. I'd rather prefer the ability to tweak the 
taskbar's look more to the liking of the reporter (making the taskbar 
only show icons? decreasing the room taken by windows running for a 
long time?) instead abusing the systray further.
(But regardless feel free to implement "minimize to systray" if you 
think it's worth the hassle, as long as the button is not shown as 
default but only accessible through e.g. shift+click on minimize or 
something like that. People will surely like it against all logical 
reasoning anyway. =P)

Cheers, Datschge =)

[1] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-usability&m=104586157321637
[2] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-usability&m=104393964605181
[3] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22375#c4
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