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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    RE: standardizing modes of text selection
From:       "Jamethiel Knorth" <jamethknorth () hotmail ! com>
Date:       2004-03-18 3:44:52
Message-ID: BAY7-F123ss5W3xNbMr00008b9e () hotmail ! com
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I am currently using Safari. I had not checked before, but it does support 
this perfectly in html (it selects by paragraph in text-boxes). It is very 
nice and should be implemented system-wide, even in editable areas. There is 
no reason for the behavior to change from region to region.

Unless someone can think on an instance where it would not apply. I can 
think of nothing.

Also, is it possible to get every application which is an editor to support 
proper text dragging? I assume there is an issue with this, because the old 
KATE model was broken and the new one does copy instead of move (which is 
un-intuitive and redundant with the middle-click). Dragging text to move it 
is standard throughout most systems (just tested that in Safari here, as 
well as MS-Word)

>From: Leo Savernik <l.savernik@aon.at>
>Reply-To: KDE Usability Project <kde-usability@kde.org>
>To: kde-usability@mail.kde.org
>Subject: standardizing modes of text selection
>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:23:31 +0100
>
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>Hello,
>
>Time that I pollute this list, too ;-)
>
>All KDE applications should support standard modes of text selection (with
>text I mean text and embedded objects). I therefore propose to support the
>following modes and how they should behave:
>
>Click: The old selection is cleared, no text is selected. Dragging extends 
>the
>new selection by characters.
>
>Doubleclick: The old selection is cleared, and the current word is 
>selected.
>Dragging extends the selection word by word.
>
>Tripleclick: The old selection is cleared, and the current line is 
>selected.
>Dragging extends the selection line by line.
>
>Using Shift with any of the above buttons will extend the end of the 
>current
>selection to the point of the new selection instead of deleting it.
>
>I derived this behaviour from OpenOffice.org, which implements it.
>
>Here are my finding of to what degree various kde applications already
>implement this proposal (tested under KDE 3.2):
>
>- - Konsole: The only KDE application which supports all three modes 
>(except
>extending with Shift)
>- - Konqueror: khtml only supports single and doubleclick, but cannot 
>extend the
>selection word wise. Tripleclick will select the whole paragraph, not the
>whole line. Shift works only for single clicks.
>- - Kate: click and drag is fully supported. doubleclick will select the 
>word
>under the pointer, but it does not extend the selection word by word when
>dragging. Analogically, tripleclick selects the line, but doesn't extends 
>it
>line-wise. Shift only works for single clicks.
>- - KWord: click and drag as well as doubleclick and drag are fully 
>supported.
>The selection is extended by character/word resp. Tripleclick will select 
>the
>whole paragraph, not the whole line. Shift only works for single clicks.
>
>The rationale behind this proposal is consistency, and ease of use. First 
>of
>all, more clicks mean an advance to the next higher "level": character ->
>word -> line. Making not only the mode apply on the initiation, but also
>furthermore on the extension of the selection, contributes further to
>consistency.
>
>Why do some applications select the paragraph instead of the line for 
>triple
>clicks? I cannot tell it for KWord, but for khtml it was impossible to
>determine the boundaries of a line before KDE 3.2, yet it was very easy to
>determine the paragraph boundaries. However, khtml now *does* have a notion
>of a line, therefore there's no technical cause not to support the 
>proposal.
>
>What do you think about it?
>
>mfg
>	Leo
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