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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Cervisia and KDE
From:       "Carlos Leonhard Woelz" <carloswoelz () imap-mail ! com>
Date:       2004-01-07 18:37:01
Message-ID: 20040107183702.AF50D450CB () server1 ! messagingengine ! com
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On Wed,  7 Jan 2004 17:34:10 +0000, een3sae@leeds.ac.uk said:
> Why does Konqueror set up by default to have an icon for Cervisia on its
> main  
> tool bar (KDE 3.1.4)? As i see it unless an individual is a serious
> software  
> developer, or in the business of compiling software from CVS (and the
> vast  
> majority of your average desktop users are unlikely to fit into either  
> category) this is a completely unnecessary thing to have a button for on
> the  
> main toolbar by default.  As it is at the moment this button is just
> going to  
> confuse your average desktop user - it is unclear what it does from
> looking  
> at the icon, and in 99% of cases clicking on it produces a cryptic error  
> message ("This is not a CVS directory") 
It is only installed with the kdesdk (kde software development kit)
module.
if you have it and you are not a developer, you should consider
uninstaling.
Then the cervisia icon will disapear.

  
> I would suggest that in new KDE releases this button is not included on
> the  
> main toolbar by default, but the menu option in the View>View
> Mode..>Cervisia  
> is retained, with the added option included somewhere (im fairly new to
> KDE  
> so im not sure where you might put such an option) to place a button on
> the  
> toolbar for software developers etc who actually use CVS. 
I have no problems with the toolbar button. It is only installed if you
have the
kdesdk module installed.


> I would also suggest that if a directory is NOT a CVS directory then
> Konqueror  
> should AUTOMATICALLY detect this and grey out the menu option/toolbar
> button  
> for Cervisia so the user cannot select it - rather than allowing the user
> to  
> select it and then flagging up an error message telling them they cant do 
> anything, which seems rather pointless. 

Correct. I can't agree more.
I would like to add the context dialog to the menu option and toolbar to
your suggestion of only showing them when a CVS directory is detected.

There are additional comments on this bugreport:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70495

from Christian Loose, cervisia developer:

"If this is correct then there isn't much I can do, because:
a) Konqueror decides where it shows the BrowserExtension KParts. So to
move the entry to the action submenu, the Konqueror developers have to
change the creation of the context menu.
b) I don't think we will ever get a inode/cvs-directory mimetype, because
it would have a big performance hit on the mimetype detection."

So it seems the "CVS detection" means a performance hit :-(

I would prefer if someone tell me it is doable (to detect if the
directory is a repository or not), but if it is not, I would:

1) Keep the toolbar: if you don't want it, don't install cervisia. If you
install cervisia, you should know what arepository is.
2) keep the menu item: same reasons
3) remove the context menu entry (more screenshots on the bug report), or
move it to "actions" submenu.

Cheers,
-- 
  Carlos Leonhard Woelz
  carloswoelz@imap-mail.com

-- 
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