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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Kicker bar maiming
From:       Michael Pye <mdpye () ntlworld ! com>
Date:       2003-12-21 17:18:14
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On Sunday 21 December 2003 16:13, Frans Englich wrote:

> Agreed 100%
>
> Most of us want KDE to be shipped unaltered - just notice how pissed of
> (fully justified) people gets when Redhat mess around. It not only makes
> bughunting(from our perspective) harder but also shrinks our influense in
> the open source world. If distros ship KDE unaltered it is a way of setting
> de facto standards - that's why KDE with its non-profit goals should
> provide system management and package tools to set a de facto standard
> instead of having the commercial fighting over it, messing up the
> technologies. 

Oh come on, you cannot be serious. What makes you think this responsibiity 
should fall to KDE? Why not GNOME? XFCE? How can you imagine that such a 
standard would be accepted, or even that the KDE project has the right 
background to create it?

Package tools cannot sensibly be created by any other than the packagers, some 
of whom are commercial and some of whom are not. How would you like it if the 
kernel developers started dictating the format of KDE's UI?

>Debian, Slackware and probably alot of other upcoming KDE
> based(think kde-debian) distros will gain alot from having good "vanilla"
> kde packages. From a pragmatical viewpoint you also save work - better to
> do it one place than several.

Debian and Slashware are *not* newbie distros. Therefore it would be quite 
right for them to use the stock KDE with its middle ground defaults.

If kde-debian is the current incarnation of the KDE answer to UserLinux then 
they are going to make changes to much more than just a few KDE defaults.

> That the distros change the default kicker buttons is perhaps a ringing
> bell for that our defaults isn't that good.

But they all change them to different things. Which are we to adopt?

MP

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