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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Kicker bar maiming
From:       Frans Englich <frans.englich () telia ! com>
Date:       2003-12-21 11:07:14
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On Sunday 21 December 2003 11:27, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:

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> > > that's not so hot; this _is_ UNIX after all and
> > > the CLI is pretty important.
> >
> > Is the CLI also important for the regular user?
>
> for a subset of that group, yes.

Yes, ofcourse - it's just a matter of classification/categorizing. We agree in 
other words.

>
> > Or does that statement only apply for KDE's current userbase?
>
> no.

Agreed.


>
> > > > * Preferences button
> > >
> > > the problem here is even worse than with konsole: most people need
> > > access to it and it is nicely hidden in the Settings directory. =/ i'd
> > > like to keep this one for now...
> >
> > Kicker is our cure for an outgrown KMenu. How cute.
>
> this isn't going to get fixed for 3.2, so our options are limited by the
> reality of what we have.

Agreed.

> > Correct me if I'm wrong but AFAICT your reasoning goes like this:
> > "The right place for preferences is in a 'start menu' and not in the
> > kicker. Afterall, configuring is done very seldom and KMail and Konqueror
> > is used very frequently. But, our KMenu is pretty useless so we /have/ to
> > put it  in Kicker."
> > I'm not saying this is no reality we can ignore I just want to follow
> > your arguing.
>
> that's a good charicature of it, yes. the KMenu is not "pretty useless",
> it's "overly used" which is to say it is too noisy for people to find
> certain things. the control panel would be one of those things.

I ment it was useless(exaggurated) because it was "overly used" ;-) So yes, 
agreed.

> a different path would be to promote KControl to be a top-level item in the
> KMenu along with Find Files, Help and Home

I though about this too. How about we give priority to kicker space and put 
preferences in kmenu? And perhaps remove/move something else? Some thoughts:

* We got "home" in kicker, top level kmenu and quick browser. Excessive? 
Perhaps it's enough having it in kicker and quick browser? 
* Move mnt(top level kmenu) to quick browser?

Some other refactoring: 
* Move Find files to actions(yes, it's an app but not perceted so, IMHO) 



			Frans

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