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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Kicker bar maiming
From:       Sander Devrieze <s.devrieze () pandora ! be>
Date:       2003-12-19 14:12:03
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Op vrijdag 19 december 2003 11:24, schreef Frans Englich:
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> > A time ago I reported following bugzilla entry:
> > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67718
> > There's also a link to the kde-usability archive in it.
>
> I skimmed that big, rantish thread, fortunately most of it did not concern
> the issues I bring up.

I think it does :)

> Regarding the suggestion in the BR to solve configuration with another step
> in KPersonalizer I think is a way to elaborated method to solve a small
> issue. If we can't agree on this button issue I rather forget it than
> having yet another configuration step for the KDE user.

And why would an extra step in KPersonalizer a bad thing?

- -->"Here you can change the icons in your panel based on taks. You can also do 
this later via RMB clicking in your panel. blablabla. *If you're not sure 
about this or are in a hurry, just click next!*"

I think this will helps many users without bothering others...

> I also didn't find any convincing arguments for keeping the konsole button
> - no one comments on the actual use compared to the total userbase.

o simplier user assitence via IM, mailinglists,...: if this button is removed 
I'm *sure* that the number of questions like "Where do I have to enter that 
command?" will increase much...this makes that 1) the problem is solved 
slower for the user so that his motivation to use Linux will decrease more 
and 2) that the volunteers who helps users will be less motivated to help 
newbies or otherwise they point them in an agressive way to a faq which will 
increase 1) even more

o advanced users needs to put this icon everytime they install KDE by there 
own in kicker which is very slow: this is why I think the KPersonalizer step 
is very useful!!

o It's not because an old command line interface like MS DOS is not a good 
think for most users, that modern, userfriendly user interfaces like Bash 
aren't useful too for them! I'm sure a lot of Linuxnewbies, who migrated from 
Windows and never used a command line interface before (or not much), will 
love modern command line interfaces so much that this will be one of the 
reasons for them to don't switch back to Windows. (ps: I'm such a user) So, 
IMO it's important that people can reach the CLI fast when the moment is 
there that they want to use it.

> Regarding the prefmenu a message says usability reports stated it was often
> used which I can imagine. But, in relation to the total amount of use of
> the KDE system or any of the other functionality of the kicker buttons it
> is not much used. That, combined with the motivation "it saves the user
> from kcontrol" is actually just a shift of the problem - a too big need for
> configuration and a grotesque control center. My arguments in my initial
> mail still holds, IMHO.
>
> Sorry if I have missed something obvious, any comments regarding why this
> patch should not be commited?

See above: the intention is good, but it should be implementend in another way 
IMO.

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- -- 
Mvg, Sander Devrieze.
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