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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Proposal: Replacing Toolbar Icons in KOffice
From:       James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj () acm ! org>
Date:       2003-12-03 10:02:10
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David Faure wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 December 2003 09:44, James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> 
>>David Faure wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday 01 December 2003 05:14, James Richard Tyrer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>May I please butt in here?
>>>>
>>>>I ask/suggest that we not make the same mistake that was make with: "Kile".  These are 
>>>>nice icons but they are the CrystalSVG style and therefore should be added as that style 
>>>>rather than replacing the hicolor icons.
>>
>>I thought that I was clear.  What is the point of having the ability to have different 
>>icon themes if this feature is not used by applications?
> 
> 
> It is used by applications.
> 
> 
>>I think that it is best to have the "old" icons which are KDEClasic style be the 'hicolor' 
>>icons and the new CrystalSVG icons installed as 'crystalsvg'.
> 
> Right.
> 
> 
>>In which case if the user  
>>chooses the CrystalSVG icon theme the application will use CrystalSVG icons for its tool 
>>bars 
> 
> That's the case by default (and has been for the last 6 months or so)
> 
My point is that it shouldn't be by default.  The application should use CrystalSVG icons
only if the user has chosen that icon theme
> 
>>and if the user chooses another icon theme and has not installed icons for that theme  
>>then it will use the KDEClasic icons which were installed as 'hicolor'.
> 
> No, the fallback is crystalsvg since that's the one shipped by kdelibs/kdebase.
> KDEClassic is there only if you install kdeartwork.
> 
Then it would appear that the guidelines which have been promulgated about this are WRONG:

	http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/iconthemes.html

IIUC, they are quite clear that an application's default icons (the unthemed icons) should
be installed as 'hicolor' and then it is also permissible to install additional themed
icons under the correct icon theme directory.

Clearly, if an icon in the user's selected theme is not available, it should first fall
back to 'hicolor', and then the 'default.kde'.

NOTE: in many cases 'hicolor' will be empty, but if there is an icon there it 'hicolor'
must be the send choice for an icon theme after the user selected theme.

>>The point is that the CrystalSVG icons should not replace the current KDEClasic icons.
> 
> !!!
> 1) You are 6 months late for this discussion
> 2) Nothing gets replaced; kdeclass icons are moved to kdeartwork.

I know nothing about the icons for specific applications being moved to KDEArtwork.

> 3) crystalsvg is the default icon theme in KDE-3.2.

I want to make this quite clear that I am not in any way objecting to the existence of the
CrystalSVG icon theme.  What I am objecting to is being forced to use them.

--
JRT



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