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Subject:    Re: KMenuEdit vs. direct manipulation [was: Re: RMB - once again]
From:       Sander Devrieze <s.devrieze () pandora ! be>
Date:       2003-08-25 16:29:53
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Op maandag 25 augustus 2003 17:43, schreef Christoph Niemann:
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> Sorry for my late reply. I think there was a missunderstanding here: I
> was never talking about *all menus* but only about the KMenu.

I knew.

> I do not
> want RMB menus or something like that to be rearrangable inline...

I agree, but I also think it's much better don't doing this for the KMenu 
because of the following:

Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2003 16:17, schreef Christoph Niemann:
> If it is translated thus, your point is not valid, because users do
> expect exactly that integration from the menu. This is evidenced in the
> study. Users were asked to place an icon in the quick launcher area.
> 70% of the participants first tried to drag the icon from the KMenu
> (p.65). They succeded because this is possible. So there is even a hint
> within KDE that entries are draggable. However, the targets are
> arbitrarily restricted, as you cannot drop the entry somewhere else in
> the menu.

If we make that people can everywhere use a separated menu editor and that 
it's everywhere accesible in a standard way, it will be much easier for 
people to change *all* menus (so not only KMenu) after they found it one 
time. People migrating from MS Windows know that they only can change the 
start menu inline...but there are also people who never used this feature in 
MS Windows or even never used MS Windows and for them this inconsistency can 
annoye them. You always have to keep in mind that the usability study was 
about people who used before MS Windows. 

So, I'm not against a feature for the inline editing of the KMenu, *but* it 
should only be default enabled when people select for Windows behavior in 
kpersonalizer. In the other cases it should be dissabled default. I also like 
to see a standard menu editor for menus like the toolbar editor now also is 
for toolbars. And this editor should be in all situations default enabled.

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Mvg, Sander Devrieze.

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