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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: KDE3 defaults
From:       William Leese <yatsu () wanadoo ! nl>
Date:       2003-08-17 8:35:39
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Aaron J. Seigo wrote:

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>On Saturday 16 August 2003 03:36, Mikolaj Machowski wrote:
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>>>A text editor is a basic feature of a unix environment, though.
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>>Of a CLI not GUI.
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>the two are not mutually exclusive; it isn't an either/or situation. there are 
>things that the CLI are better at, and some things that the GUI is better at. 
>UNIX has a very powerful CLI for a reason, and many people use it on a daily 
>basis even if they do run a full featured desktop. Microsoft is even 
>investing a large effort into creating a quality, native CLI for a future 
>version of Windows; the Mac even has a CLI now! why? because they are useful.
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Nonesense. Microsoft is investing in the CLI so there servers can be 
more flexible. Desktops have nothing to do with this strategy. They're 
useful, yes. But the question was should a text editor belong on the 
panel by default. It shouldn't because it won't be used as often as say 
Konqueror, KMail, and KWord.

>making access to useful things easy, especially when the command line is as 
>important on UNIX as it is, should be paramount. in a GNOME usability study 
>there were problems with people opening a terminal and not knowing what it 
>was, and the suggestion was, IIRC, to modify the icon to make it clearer what 
>it is, not remove it.
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'System'->'Terminal Program (Konsole)'. That isn't good enough?

>>>>- kicker: remove Konsole icon
>>>>We're trying to move the user away from the commandline, right? :)
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>no, we're trying to give them a useful GUI environment that is largely 
>orthogonal to the CLI, and which works with the CLI as well as possible.
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CLIs are unusable for most computer users. We shouldn't make it harder 
for users to access the CLI but OTOH the GUI environment should get 
priority because that's what the user will be using most of the time. So 
this is just a tradeoff by making anyother GUI program slightly more 
accessible (or making the panel less crowded for low res displays) and 
slightly reducing access to the CLI.

- wvl

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