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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: kdeartwork/kwin-styles/cde
From:       "Friedrich W. H. Kossebau" <Friedrich.W.H () Kossebau ! de>
Date:       2002-08-29 11:22:15
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"Aaron J. Seigo" wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 August 2002 05:22, Christoph Held wrote:
> > I am not shure if I understand, but I think your wrong. Just because one
> > likes liquid doesn't mean he likes mac-behavior. Just because someone likes
> > cde-style doesn't mean he likes cde behavior. Do not mix look and feel -
> > this is evil. Keep look and feel seperate.

If asked I would strongly underline this.
 
> except that the CDE theme was writtne to *emulate* CDE's look _and_ feel.

So was the redmond style? Where are the blue screens then? ;)
 
> the whole reason KDE's window decos are C++ plugins is that they are dynamic
> and can _behave_ diferently. and different decos DO behave differently
> already.

Yes. _can_ behave differently. But there are a lot of features that are
nice to customize still. Wasn't it KDE who wants to merge the best of
all worlds? What is best should be the user's choice IMHO. If one like
the windows style, he still would like to have the macos up- and
downshading of the window. Or the focus-follows-mouse feature. I doubt a
programmer of a window deco would strictly reject such features. He can
offer it _optionally_ (the miracle word).
 
> window decos aren't just for looks: they are functional pieces of the desktop.
> the default deco and all the other non-emulating ones will behave sanely, so
> only those who specifically pick otherwise will get the braindamage .. =)

Of course some window decos restrict the number of features. Some with
buttons on the border won't allow you to resize by the upper corners.
But most look and feel don't interact. So in principle there is no need
to couple look and feel.
 
> and i'm not about to tell the CDE deco users (one of whome made the change)
> that they can't have a CDE-a-like window deco.

Those who want to emulate another GUI totally should be given suiting
look-and-feel themes. Especially those migrating from another OS who
don't want a high burden. But soon they might want to adjust it step by
step because of nice features they read about or experienced somewhere
else. 

Do we really want to restrict their way?

Friedrich
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