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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: opinions on gnome2
From:       Christoph Held <c-held () web ! de>
Date:       2002-07-19 21:05:44
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On Friday 19 July 2002 16:50, wvl wrote:
> Take your finger off that del button ;) Hear me out.
>
> I'd like to share my opinions on gnome2; you won't read any gnome
> bashing here, not because gnome2 has no fault but because I don't think
> it will benefit KDE3 in any way.
>
> Recently there was an article about KDE3 written by Eustania (not sure
> that was how her name was spelt, please correct me if I'm wrong :). In
> this article she discussed several faults in KDE3's UI. On one account,
> she mentioned the importance of good defaults. As most of us realize,
> the average user does not or cannot change the default settings. This
> post is about gnome2's defaults.
>
> The first time gnome2 is started you are dropped into a very simple,
> clean desktop. At the bottom of the screen you have the taskbar with in
> it's right corner the virtual desktop switcher. At the top of the screen
> there is another panel. At the top left there is the gnome icon,
> followed by the word "Applications", to it's "Actions". At the righthand
> side of this panel there is a speaker icon, a clock and an icon which
> changes to the icon of the focussed application. Clicking on this icon
> will present you with a list of open applications divided into the
> applications on your current virtual desktop, and all others.
>
> Now, compare this with KDE3 where everything is cropped on one, large
> panel. Just about everything that gnome2 has is placed in on this panel,
> _including_ a set of large 'quick launch' icons. Once the user is able
> to find the KDE application menulist, he/she is presented with a list of
> applications, applets and actions.
>
> It's obvious which approach is more userfriendly. KDE3's panel lacks
> order (no seperators, the KDE application list icon is lost in the quick
> launch icons), as does the KDE menu.
>
> So, how should KDE3/4 go about this? My opinion is that it should follow
> gnome2 in respect to it's default desktop. I'm interested in hearing
> your opinions.
>
I agree.  kpersonalizer is addressing these problems. There is a lot to do, so 
it will take some time.
Page2, the OS selection aims to handle the complete layout of the desktop 
(including panel, kmenu, ...) With a single mouse click it will (sometime in 
the future) clone windows, mac, unix or use kde-style .
Page3, I have suggested several polls at kde-look.de about defaults (and have 
patched kpersonalizer according to the results). 
Page4, the theme selection aims to handle the complete theming of the desktop. 
(window, widgets, colors, backgroud...) With a single mouse click it chooses 
a theme simelar to windows, mac, unix or use kde-theme (currently only 
supports window, widgets, colors).

Greetings

Christoph

BTW: Kicker has a strange behavior: If you change kickerrc and call restart() 
the old kicker appears again and almost all changes to kickerrc are lost. I 
guess kicker writes to kickerrc before it restarts. Does anyone know how to 
get around this bug?


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