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Subject: Re: KDE Telepathy as part of KDE Applications
From: Martin Klapetek <mklapetek () kde ! org>
Date: 2017-08-02 20:06:49
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On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org> wrote:
> El dimecres, 2 d'agost de 2017, a les 18:44:17 CEST, Christoph Feck va
> escriure:
> > On 02.08.2017 17:52, Martin Klapetek wrote:
> > > Hey guys,
> > >
> > > I was long thinking about writing this email but kept putting it off,
> > > but I think it's only fair towards everyone, especially our users so
> > > here it goes finally.
> > >
> > > The KDE Telepathy project is as of now unmaintained for over
> > > a year. That means there is no active development nor bugfixes
> > > except a few occasional patches from an uncooperative guy.
> > > Nobody is handling the incoming bugs. The protocol support is
> > > outdated, the KAccounts project is unmaintained (including the
> > > upstream), I'm not sure about the upstream Telepathy project
> > > but my guess is that it's also not in active development anymore
> > > either.
> > >
> > > As the last maintainer of KDE Telepathy and KAccounts, I feel like
> > > we're doing our users a disservice by shipping such outdated and
> > > unmaintained software. Therefore I'd like to recommend to stop
> > > shipping KDE Telepathy (all the ktp-* packages) as part of KDE
> > > Applications, if just to not give the impression that this is still
> being
> > > developed.
> > >
> > > But I'd like to leave it at that - a recommendation from the previous
> > > maintainer. If you guys still think it's worth being shipped, it's ok
> if
> > > you continue so. I just wanted you to be aware of the state of the
> > > project that we ship as our main IM solution.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > --
> > > Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
> >
> > Looking at the bug tracker, we receive some bugs for KAccounts, but
> > virtually none for other KTP components. Either nobody uses those (in
> > this case I have no objections for your proposal), or they work fine,
> > which means I see no reason to stop shipping them.
> >
> > Note that we have literally hundreds of "unmaintained" modules,
> > including many games and edu apps in KDE Applications. Our general
> > policy is to move them out only when they are no longer buildable or
> > usable, and nobody steps up to fix that.
>
> Agreed, it doesn't seem to be "horribly broken", so shipping it for those
> that
> still use it makes sense imho.
>
Fine with me then, as I said in the previous email - I didn't know
if KDE has any policies for shipping unmaintained apps and
I just wanted the release team to be aware, especially given
I went through the effort of getting KDE Telepathy into KDE
Applications releases in the first place, I kinda felt it's my duty
to at least inform you.
Cheers
--
Martin Klapetek
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 \
at 2:15 PM, Albert Astals Cid <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aacid@kde.org" \
target="_blank">aacid@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">El dimecres, 2 d'agost de 2017, a les 18:44:17 \
CEST, Christoph Feck va<br> escriure:<br>
<div><div class="gmail-h5">> On 02.08.2017 17:52, Martin Klapetek wrote:<br>
> > Hey guys,<br>
> ><br>
> > I was long thinking about writing this email but kept putting it off,<br>
> > but I think it's only fair towards everyone, especially our users \
so<br> > > here it goes finally.<br>
> ><br>
> > The KDE Telepathy project is as of now unmaintained for over<br>
> > a year. That means there is no active development nor bugfixes<br>
> > except a few occasional patches from an uncooperative guy.<br>
> > Nobody is handling the incoming bugs. The protocol support is<br>
> > outdated, the KAccounts project is unmaintained (including the<br>
> > upstream), I'm not sure about the upstream Telepathy project<br>
> > but my guess is that it's also not in active development anymore<br>
> > either.<br>
> ><br>
> > As the last maintainer of KDE Telepathy and KAccounts, I feel like<br>
> > we're doing our users a disservice by shipping such outdated and<br>
> > unmaintained software. Therefore I'd like to recommend to stop<br>
> > shipping KDE Telepathy (all the ktp-* packages) as part of KDE<br>
> > Applications, if just to not give the impression that this is still \
being<br> > > developed.<br>
> ><br>
> > But I'd like to leave it at that - a recommendation from the \
previous<br> > > maintainer. If you guys still think it's worth being \
shipped, it's ok if<br> > > you continue so. I just wanted you to be aware \
of the state of the<br> > > project that we ship as our main IM solution.<br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers<br>
> > --<br>
> > Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer<br>
><br>
> Looking at the bug tracker, we receive some bugs for KAccounts, but<br>
> virtually none for other KTP components. Either nobody uses those (in<br>
> this case I have no objections for your proposal), or they work fine,<br>
> which means I see no reason to stop shipping them.<br>
><br>
> Note that we have literally hundreds of "unmaintained" modules,<br>
> including many games and edu apps in KDE Applications. Our general<br>
> policy is to move them out only when they are no longer buildable or<br>
> usable, and nobody steps up to fix that.<br>
<br>
</div></div>Agreed, it doesn't seem to be "horribly broken", so \
shipping it for those that<br> still use it makes sense \
imho.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Fine with me then, as I said in the \
previous email - I didn't know</div><div>if KDE has any policies for shipping \
unmaintained apps and</div><div>I just wanted the release team to be aware, \
especially given</div><div>I went through the effort of getting KDE Telepathy into \
KDE</div><div>Applications releases in the first place, I kinda felt it's my \
duty</div><div>to at least inform \
you.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>--<br \
class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Martin \
Klapetek</span><br></div></div></div></div>
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