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Subject: Re: KDE Telepathy as part of KDE Applications
From: Martin Klapetek <mklapetek () kde ! org>
Date: 2017-08-02 20:00:21
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On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:35 PM, David Edmundson <david@davidedmundson.co.u=
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> wrote:
> Valorie spent some time at Akademy telling me about some other person she
> knows who uses the project. It might not be active, but it isn't all doom
> and gloom either.
>
I'm not saying it's doom and gloom or even that it doesn't work
anymore, I'm just saying it's unmaintained and most of the parts
around it are also unmaintained. I don't know if KDE has any
policies about releasing and shipping unmaintained software,
so I just wanted the release team to be aware. That is all.
>
> We do have two semi-active developers; Alexandr(Kaffiene) and James.
>
> You've been actively blocking anything from James for over a year. I know
> he's very difficult to work with, but amongst his distributed-presence
> monstrosity he is also fixing things including going through the bugs.
>
> (for context for others, you get a complex patch, you ask a question abou=
t
> something and you just get a bigger patch with more and more unrelated
> changes in it with zero description. No matter what you type, this
> continues forever. I think it's a language problem). He isn't bad though =
-
> the fact that he's kept uploading them despite the frustration shows some
> willpower.
>
I did block his patches because they went the exact opposite
from where I wanted the project to go, as a maintainer. I have
told him exactly what I want those patches to turn into, he would
always ignore what I said. I have even asked him to take over
the project and do whatever. Sorry, if someone's unwilling to
collaborate on a project in the least bit, even participate in a decent
discussion, yes, I will not accept such contributions, even more
so if I as a maintainer don't agree with them. I mean, that's what
maintainers are for. I don't think it's a language problem at all.
KDE is built upon collaboration after all.
> Upstream is mixed. Kaffiene's work on Telegram is pretty good.
>
> As for KAccounts. It's been a huge setup since it went in.
> I don't think I've ever managed. It's one of 2 things (the kpeople port
> being the other) that killed me working on the project.
>
> Thinking positively we do have two options for the latter.
> - We can restore my original ktp-accounts-kcm, it would be a fairly
> simple job, the code is still there and the original auth handler still
> works.
> - we modify my ktp-bootstrap file to fetch and build them.
>
Well, KAccounts just works=E2=84=A2, it's just unmaintained too.
Cheers
--
Martin Klapetek
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 \
at 12:35 PM, David Edmundson <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:david@davidedmundson.co.uk" \
target="_blank">david@davidedmundson.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Valorie spent some \
time at Akademy telling me about some other person she knows who uses the project. It \
might not be active, but it isn't all doom and gloom \
either.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm \
not saying it's doom and gloom or even that it doesn't \
work</div><div>anymore, I'm just saying it's unmaintained and most of the \
parts</div><div>around it are also unmaintained. I don't know if KDE has \
any</div><div>policies about releasing and shipping unmaintained \
software,</div><div>so I just wanted the release team to be aware. That is \
all.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div></div><div><br>We do have two semi-active \
developers; Alexandr(Kaffiene) and James.<br><br></div><div>You've been actively \
blocking anything from James for over a year. I know he's very difficult to work \
with, but amongst his distributed-presence monstrosity he is also fixing things \
including going through the bugs.<br><br></div><div>(for context for others, you get \
a complex patch, you ask a question about something and you just get a bigger patch \
with more and more unrelated changes in it with zero description. No matter what you \
type, this continues forever. I think it's a language problem). He isn't bad \
though - the fact that he's kept uploading them despite the frustration shows \
some willpower.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I \
did block his patches because they went the exact opposite</div><div>from where I \
wanted the project to go, as a maintainer. I have</div><div>told him exactly what I \
want those patches to turn into, he would</div><div>always ignore what I said. I have \
even asked him to take over</div><div>the project and do whatever. Sorry, if \
someone's unwilling to</div><div>collaborate on a project in the least bit, even \
participate in a decent</div><div>discussion, yes, I will not accept such \
contributions, even more</div><div>so if I as a maintainer don't agree with them. \
I mean, that's what</div><div>maintainers are for. I don't think it's a \
language problem at all.</div><div><br></div><div>KDE is built upon collaboration \
after all.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Upstream is mixed. Kaffiene's work on Telegram \
is pretty good.</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div></div><div><br></div><div>As for KAccounts. \
It's been a huge setup since it went in.<br>I don't think I've ever \
managed. It's one of 2 things (the kpeople port being the other) that killed me \
working on the project. <br><br>Thinking positively we do have two options for the \
latter.<br> - We can restore my original ktp-accounts-kcm, it would be a fairly \
simple job, the code is still there and the original auth handler still \
works.<br></div><div> - we modify my ktp-bootstrap file to fetch and build \
them.</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, \
KAccounts just works™, it's just unmaintained \
too.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>--<br clear="all"><div><div \
class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><span \
style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Martin Klapetek</span></div></div> \
</div></div></div></div>
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