'kde-redhat-users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 14'

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Not a kde-redhat problem, but.... (Axel Thimm)
   2. Re: Not a kde-redhat problem, but.... (Axel Thimm)
   3. Re: Not a kde-redhat problem, but.... (Rex Dieter)
   4. Re: could you please apply fix from bug#140768 (explanation:
      bug#140777) (Rex Dieter)
   5. Re: Not a kde-redhat problem, but.... (Eli Wapniarski)
   6. Re: Not a kde-redhat problem, but.... (Eli Wapniarski)
   7. Re: Not a kde-redhat problem, but.... (Axel Thimm)
   8. Re: Not a kde-redhat problem, but.... (Eli Wapniarski)

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Hi Eli,

On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:25:32PM +0200, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> This is why I hate repomd
> 
> I needed to add Axel's repo to one of my computer for easy access to a couple 
> of anti spam apps. Thanks Axel (sincerely) for DCC and razor.
> 
> kde-redhat depends heavily on Livna OK. So I got things from Livna. But Livna 
> uses repomd so I can't pin it. AT rpms also does not support (as far as I'm 
> aware - correct me if I'm wrong Axel) apt-get

Indeed the apt-get native format has been dropped. But apt-get can use
repomd, so any repo with repomd has implicit apt-get support.

> and yum does not prioritze. So, 
> the first time I ran apt-get update / upgrade I get the following.... And 
> this $%#$% me to no end.
> 
> Eli
> 
> The following packages will be upgraded
>    lame (3.97-2.lvn5 => 3.97-15.fc5.at)
>    libdvdcss (1.2.9-2.lvn5 => 1.2.9-3.fc5.at)
>    libdvdcss-devel (1.2.9-2.lvn5 => 1.2.9-3.fc5.at)
>    mjpegtools (1.8.0-4.lvn5 => 1.9.1-14_cvs20061009.fc5.at)
>    mjpegtools-devel (1.8.0-4.lvn5 => 1.9.1-14_cvs20061009.fc5.at)
>    mplayer-fonts (1.1-3.lvn5 => 1.0-7.at)
>    perl-Sys-Hostname-Long (1.4-1.2.fc5.rf => 1.4-2.fc5.at)
> The following packages have been kept back
>    faac (1.24-5.lvn5 => 1.25-1.fc5.at)
>    faac-devel (1.24-5.lvn5 => 1.25-1.fc5.at)
>    faad2 (2.0-15.20050131.lvn5 => 2.5-7.fc5.at)
>    faad2-devel (2.0-15.20050131.lvn5 => 2.5-7.fc5.at)
>    ffmpeg (0.4.9-0.23.20060817.lvn5 => 0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
>    ffmpeg-devel (0.4.9-0.23.20060817.lvn5 => 0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
>    lame-devel (3.97-2.lvn5 => 3.97-15.fc5.at)
>    mplayer (1.0-0.46.pre8.lvn5 => 1.0-58_r21812.fc5.at)
-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

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On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:32:54PM +0200, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Fri February 16 2007 21:25:32 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > This is why I hate repomd
> >
> > I needed to add Axel's repo to one of my computer for easy access to a
> > couple of anti spam apps. Thanks Axel (sincerely) for DCC and razor.
> >
> > kde-redhat depends heavily on Livna OK. So I got things from Livna. But
> > Livna uses repomd so I can't pin it. AT rpms also does not support (as far
> > as I'm aware - correct me if I'm wrong Axel) apt-get and yum does not
> > prioritze. So, the first time I ran apt-get update / upgrade I get the
> > following.... And this $%#$% me to no end.
> >
> > Eli
> >
> > The following packages will be upgraded
> >    lame (3.97-2.lvn5 => 3.97-15.fc5.at)
> >    libdvdcss (1.2.9-2.lvn5 => 1.2.9-3.fc5.at)
> >    libdvdcss-devel (1.2.9-2.lvn5 => 1.2.9-3.fc5.at)
> >    mjpegtools (1.8.0-4.lvn5 => 1.9.1-14_cvs20061009.fc5.at)
> >    mjpegtools-devel (1.8.0-4.lvn5 => 1.9.1-14_cvs20061009.fc5.at)
> >    mplayer-fonts (1.1-3.lvn5 => 1.0-7.at)
> >    perl-Sys-Hostname-Long (1.4-1.2.fc5.rf => 1.4-2.fc5.at)
> > The following packages have been kept back
> >    faac (1.24-5.lvn5 => 1.25-1.fc5.at)
> >    faac-devel (1.24-5.lvn5 => 1.25-1.fc5.at)
> >    faad2 (2.0-15.20050131.lvn5 => 2.5-7.fc5.at)
> >    faad2-devel (2.0-15.20050131.lvn5 => 2.5-7.fc5.at)
> >    ffmpeg (0.4.9-0.23.20060817.lvn5 => 0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
> >    ffmpeg-devel (0.4.9-0.23.20060817.lvn5 => 0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
> >    lame-devel (3.97-2.lvn5 => 3.97-15.fc5.at)
> >    mplayer (1.0-0.46.pre8.lvn5 => 1.0-58_r21812.fc5.at)
> >
> 
> Oh... Last comment about this...

Perhaps you should try out smart. It is "smarter" than the rest in the
sense that it won't get trapped that often into some dependency issue
and start suggesting to remove too many packages. E.g. smart usually
finds a working solution and won't remove mplayer. But according to
Murphy the momemt you try out smart it will decide to prove me wrong. ;)

> apt-get dist-upgrade
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Calculating Upgrade... Done
> The following packages will be upgraded
>    faac (1.24-5.lvn5 => 1.25-1.fc5.at)
>    faac-devel (1.24-5.lvn5 => 1.25-1.fc5.at)
>    faad2 (2.0-15.20050131.lvn5 => 2.5-7.fc5.at)
>    faad2-devel (2.0-15.20050131.lvn5 => 2.5-7.fc5.at)
>    ffmpeg-devel (0.4.9-0.23.20060817.lvn5 => 0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
>    lame (3.97-2.lvn5 => 3.97-15.fc5.at)
>    lame-devel (3.97-2.lvn5 => 3.97-15.fc5.at)
>    libdvdcss (1.2.9-2.lvn5 => 1.2.9-3.fc5.at)
>    libdvdcss-devel (1.2.9-2.lvn5 => 1.2.9-3.fc5.at)
>    mjpegtools (1.8.0-4.lvn5 => 1.9.1-14_cvs20061009.fc5.at)
>    mjpegtools-devel (1.8.0-4.lvn5 => 1.9.1-14_cvs20061009.fc5.at)
>    mplayer-fonts (1.1-3.lvn5 => 1.0-7.at)
>    perl-Sys-Hostname-Long (1.4-1.2.fc5.rf => 1.4-2.fc5.at)
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>    mencoder (1.0-0.46.pre8.lvn5)
>    mplayer (1.0-0.46.pre8.lvn5)
>    mplayer-skins (1.7-1.fc)
>    mplayerplug-in (3.35-1.lvn5)
>    xmms-aac (2.0-8.fc5)
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>    libavcodec51 (0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
>    libavformat51 (0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
>    libavutil49 (0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
>    libdc1394_control13 (1.1.0-6.fc5.at)
>    libfaac0 (1.25-1.fc5.at)
>    libmp3lame0 (3.97-15.fc5.at)
>    libmp4v2_0 (1.25-1.fc5.at)
>    libpostproc51 (0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
>    libx264_54 (svn20070206_2245-3.fc5.at)
>    svgalib (1.9.25-2.fc5)
> The following packages have been kept back
>    ffmpeg (0.4.9-0.23.20060817.lvn5 => 0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

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Axel Thimm wrote:

> Indeed the apt-get native format has been dropped. But apt-get can use
> repomd, so any repo with repomd has implicit apt-get support.

But you lose pinning.

-- Rex




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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] could you please apply fix from bug#140768
	(explanation: bug#140777)
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Hans Ecke wrote:
> Rex-
> 
> Could you please look at these bugs:
> 
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140768
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140777

Applied to kdelibs-3.5.6-4 pushed to testing repo.

-- Rex




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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:57:08 +0200
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Not a kde-redhat problem, but....
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On Fri February 16 2007 22:37:47 Axel Thimm wrote:
> Hi Eli,
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:25:32PM +0200, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > This is why I hate repomd
> >
> > I needed to add Axel's repo to one of my computer for easy access to a
> > couple of anti spam apps. Thanks Axel (sincerely) for DCC and razor.
> >
> > kde-redhat depends heavily on Livna OK. So I got things from Livna. But
> > Livna uses repomd so I can't pin it. AT rpms also does not support (as
> > far as I'm aware - correct me if I'm wrong Axel) apt-get
>
> Indeed the apt-get native format has been dropped. But apt-get can use
> repomd, so any repo with repomd has implicit apt-get support.
>

The problem here is that apt-get does not support pinning with repomd.

Eli




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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Not a kde-redhat problem, but....
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On Fri February 16 2007 22:40:06 Axel Thimm wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:32:54PM +0200, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Fri February 16 2007 21:25:32 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > This is why I hate repomd
> > >
> > > I needed to add Axel's repo to one of my computer for easy access to a
> > > couple of anti spam apps. Thanks Axel (sincerely) for DCC and razor.
> > >
> > > kde-redhat depends heavily on Livna OK. So I got things from Livna. But
> > > Livna uses repomd so I can't pin it. AT rpms also does not support (as
> > > far as I'm aware - correct me if I'm wrong Axel) apt-get and yum does
> > > not prioritze. So, the first time I ran apt-get update / upgrade I get
> > > the following.... And this $%#$% me to no end.
> > >
> > > Eli
> > >
> > > The following packages will be upgraded
> > >    lame (3.97-2.lvn5 => 3.97-15.fc5.at)
> > >    libdvdcss (1.2.9-2.lvn5 => 1.2.9-3.fc5.at)
> > >    libdvdcss-devel (1.2.9-2.lvn5 => 1.2.9-3.fc5.at)
> > >    mjpegtools (1.8.0-4.lvn5 => 1.9.1-14_cvs20061009.fc5.at)
> > >    mjpegtools-devel (1.8.0-4.lvn5 => 1.9.1-14_cvs20061009.fc5.at)
> > >    mplayer-fonts (1.1-3.lvn5 => 1.0-7.at)
> > >    perl-Sys-Hostname-Long (1.4-1.2.fc5.rf => 1.4-2.fc5.at)
> > > The following packages have been kept back
> > >    faac (1.24-5.lvn5 => 1.25-1.fc5.at)
> > >    faac-devel (1.24-5.lvn5 => 1.25-1.fc5.at)
> > >    faad2 (2.0-15.20050131.lvn5 => 2.5-7.fc5.at)
> > >    faad2-devel (2.0-15.20050131.lvn5 => 2.5-7.fc5.at)
> > >    ffmpeg (0.4.9-0.23.20060817.lvn5 => 0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
> > >    ffmpeg-devel (0.4.9-0.23.20060817.lvn5 => 0.4.9-19_r7407.fc5.at)
> > >    lame-devel (3.97-2.lvn5 => 3.97-15.fc5.at)
> > >    mplayer (1.0-0.46.pre8.lvn5 => 1.0-58_r21812.fc5.at)
> >
> > Oh... Last comment about this...
>
> Perhaps you should try out smart. It is "smarter" than the rest in the
> sense that it won't get trapped that often into some dependency issue
> and start suggesting to remove too many packages. E.g. smart usually
> finds a working solution and won't remove mplayer. But according to
> Murphy the momemt you try out smart it will decide to prove me wrong. ;)
>

I've tried smart and I run into the same issues. No prioritization.

Eli



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On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 03:51:04PM -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Axel Thimm wrote:
> > Indeed the apt-get native format has been dropped. But apt-get can use
> > repomd, so any repo with repomd has implicit apt-get support.
> 
> But you lose pinning.

On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 11:57:08PM +0200, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> The problem here is that apt-get does not support pinning with repomd.

OK, admittedly I haven't tried pinning for a very long time :)

I think I remember now that it was once discussed on the apt-get list,
but I don't remember and can't think of a technical reason why pinning
is not working with repomd. Perhaps just lack of developer time.
-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

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On Sat February 17 2007 00:05:35 Axel Thimm wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 03:51:04PM -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Axel Thimm wrote:
> > > Indeed the apt-get native format has been dropped. But apt-get can use
> > > repomd, so any repo with repomd has implicit apt-get support.
> >
> > But you lose pinning.
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 11:57:08PM +0200, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > The problem here is that apt-get does not support pinning with repomd.
>
> OK, admittedly I haven't tried pinning for a very long time :)
>
> I think I remember now that it was once discussed on the apt-get list,
> but I don't remember and can't think of a technical reason why pinning
> is not working with repomd. Perhaps just lack of developer time.

Because there is no equivalent to the apt-get release files in repomd

Content of release at kde-redhat includes:

Origin: kde-redhat 

This line allows for pinning based on the origin of the individual packages or 
entire repositories.

Eli



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