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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or no? (Mark Arrasmith)
   2. Re: kde desktop blacks out (Claude Jones)
   3. Re: OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or no? (Jeff Pitman)
   4. Re: OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or
       no? (Rex Dieter)
   5. Re: kde desktop blacks out (Kevin DeKorte)
   6. Re: OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or no? (Kevin DeKorte)
   7. Re: OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or no? (Kevin DeKorte)
   8. Re: OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or
       no? (Rex Dieter)
   9. Re: OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or no? (Kevin DeKorte)
  10. Re: OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or
       no? (Rex Dieter)
  11. Re: OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or
       no? (Rex Dieter)
  12. ARRGHH! :) (Mark Arrasmith)
  13. Re: port X11 listening (hicham)
  14. Re: [OT] port X11 listening (Roberto Alsina)

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From: Mark Arrasmith <arrasmith@math.wichita.edu>
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or no?
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On Monday 16 May 2005 03:32 pm, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Now, I am of the opinion that if one distributes RPMS containing GPL'd
> software, the GPL requires that one provide the RPM source code, ie, the
> src.rpms, because
> 1.  It is the "preferred form" of the work (in the context of rpms)
> 2.  The src.rpm contains the rpm specfile, which is one of the "scripts
> used to control compilation and installation".

Actually "preferred form" is kind of up in the air.  I have used 
http://www.nongnu.org/buildpkg/ before.  You can make rpms with just a 
standard install script.  It is very useful for packages that had no .spec 
file and I just wanted a quick binary .rpm to distribute in house.

You can "easily" roll rpms without a spec file.  I've used several commercial 
apps that seem to do it the buildpkg way rather than using a proper .spec 
file.

- mark

-- 
Statistics means never having to say you're certain.


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From: Claude Jones <claude_jones@levitjames.com>
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] kde desktop blacks out
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On Tuesday 17 May 2005 8:54 am, Kevin DeKorte wrote:
> Claude, something else you may want to check, it may not apply to you since
> this is mainly a tip for laptop users. But I had BIOS screen blanking
> enabled on a laptop once and when the BIOS blanked the screen I would have
> to reboot to get the machine back. Disabling BIOS screen blanking solved
> that problem.
> 

Kevin:

A followup question to you and Jose. I don't know if you have the answers, but
here goes. By introducing this testing kernel, have I in any way jeopardized
my normal update process? Will yum upgrades continue to work? Will that
kernel which is a test-kernel change before final release?

My other question has to do with the ATI drivers - besides solving the
blackout problem, do these drivers supposedly solve 3D performance?

On the BIOS question, neither of my machines are laptops and I currently have
BIOS level power management disabled on both.
--
Claude Jones
Bluemont, VA, USA


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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] OFFTOPIC: GPL: src.rpm's required?  yes or no?
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On Tuesday 17 May 2005 20:51, Tim Wunder wrote:
> (1) When built against XFree86-4.3, it fails to build the vnc.so X
> loadable module.  When built against xorg-x11-6.8.1, the vnc.so
> loadable module builds, but crashes X when logging in as non-root.
> 
> (2) Unfortunately, RealVNC's binary rpm cannot be installed on my
> xorg-x11-6.8.1 system due to it's linkage against a very old
> libstdc++.so
> 
> Address those issues as a technical question on a new thread and lay
> off the spec file/no spec file GPL argument.

*shrug*  Is #1 working in binary rpm form; but, because of #2 Rex can't 
get it installed?  If the spec did some tweak to fix #1 and Rex would 
like to rebuild against a newer libstdc++.so, it doesn't feel like a 
"free" setup to work with.  Who knows, Rex could have pinpointed the 
issue by now with the spec released in the open instead of waving back 
and forth about the issue on the mailing lists.

The GPL exists for this reason. 

later,
-- 
-jeff


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Mark Arrasmith wrote:
> On Monday 16 May 2005 03:32 pm, Rex Dieter wrote:
> 
> > Now, I am of the opinion that if one distributes RPMS containing GPL'd
> > software, the GPL requires that one provide the RPM source code, ie, the
> > src.rpms, because
> > 1.  It is the "preferred form" of the work (in the context of rpms)
> > 2.  The src.rpm contains the rpm specfile, which is one of the "scripts
> > used to control compilation and installation".
> 
> 
> Actually "preferred form" is kind of up in the air.  I have used
> http://www.nongnu.org/buildpkg/ before.  You can make rpms with just a
> standard install script.

In this case, I'm 99% certain they created the rpm the "usual" way.  (-:


-- Rex


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> A followup question to you and Jose. I don't know if you have the answers,
> but here goes. By introducing this testing kernel, have I in any way
> jeopardized my normal update process? Will yum upgrades continue to work?
> Will that kernel which is a test-kernel change before final release?
>
> My other question has to do with the ATI drivers - besides solving the
> blackout problem, do these drivers supposedly solve 3D performance?
>
> On the BIOS question, neither of my machines are laptops and I currently
> have BIOS level power management disabled on both.

Claude,

Yes, the ATI drivers should fix 3D performance on most ATI cards. Some of the 
latest cards do not work with the driver yet. (ie x800's)

The ATI drivers may stop suspend from working, but they are working on that.

Now for the upgrade question. Since the ATI (fglrx) drivers are tied to the 
kernel. You will not be able to upgrade your kernel until the kernel modules 
for the fglrx driver are available for the new kernel. Usually the livna team 
is pretty good about getting the drivers out in a couple of days..

Yum should hold back the new kernel until the modules are present.

Kevin

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On Tuesday 17 May 2005 09:50 am, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Mark Arrasmith wrote:
> > On Monday 16 May 2005 03:32 pm, Rex Dieter wrote:
> >>Now, I am of the opinion that if one distributes RPMS containing GPL'd
> >>software, the GPL requires that one provide the RPM source code, ie, the
> >>src.rpms, because
> >>1.  It is the "preferred form" of the work (in the context of rpms)
> >>2.  The src.rpm contains the rpm specfile, which is one of the "scripts
> >>used to control compilation and installation".
> >
> > Actually "preferred form" is kind of up in the air.  I have used
> > http://www.nongnu.org/buildpkg/ before.  You can make rpms with just a
> > standard install script.
>
> In this case, I'm 99% certain they created the rpm the "usual" way.  (-:
>
>
> -- Rex
>
>

Isn't there an X11 compat libary/RPM you can install? I thought I had one to 
do just that.

Kevin

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On Tuesday 17 May 2005 09:50 am, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Mark Arrasmith wrote:
> > On Monday 16 May 2005 03:32 pm, Rex Dieter wrote:
> >>Now, I am of the opinion that if one distributes RPMS containing GPL'd
> >>software, the GPL requires that one provide the RPM source code, ie, the
> >>src.rpms, because
> >>1.  It is the "preferred form" of the work (in the context of rpms)
> >>2.  The src.rpm contains the rpm specfile, which is one of the "scripts
> >>used to control compilation and installation".
> >
> > Actually "preferred form" is kind of up in the air.  I have used
> > http://www.nongnu.org/buildpkg/ before.  You can make rpms with just a
> > standard install script.
>
> In this case, I'm 99% certain they created the rpm the "usual" way.  (-:
>
>
> -- Rex

Can you rpm2cpio and see if the spec file is in the rpm?

Kevin

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Kevin DeKorte wrote:

> Isn't there an X11 compat libary/RPM you can install? I thought I had one to 
> do just that.

I think the shared lib I would need is/would-be from redhat 6.2, which I 
would rather not include/install, thank you.  (-:


-- Rex


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On Tuesday 17 May 2005 10:05 am, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Kevin DeKorte wrote:
> > Isn't there an X11 compat libary/RPM you can install? I thought I had one
> > to do just that.
>
> I think the shared lib I would need is/would-be from redhat 6.2, which I
> would rather not include/install, thank you.  (-:
>
>
> -- Rex

Rex,

Have you looked at any of the compat-gcc or compat-libstdc++ rpm's?

Kevin

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Kevin DeKorte wrote:

> Have you looked at any of the compat-gcc or compat-libstdc++ rpm's?

yes, I have an ancient compat rpm, but I'd rather not use it if I don't 
have to... (-:


-- Rex


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Kevin DeKorte wrote:

> Can you rpm2cpio and see if the spec file is in the rpm?

Why would the specfile be in the binary rpm?

-- Rex


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Ok this is weird.  I use kmenuedit to create a look that a want.  It writes 
applications-kmenuedit.menu in ~/.config/menus.  Everything works fine.  I 
like this change so I copy the .config directory to a new computer and run 
kbuildsycoca to force the new settings.  New menus are there.

BUT, now when I configure the desktop I have no screensavers listed?!  Dump 
the .config back to what it was before ... run kbuildsyscoca ... screensavers 
are back.

Doing this with a blank new user causes the same problem.  How in the world 
would a menus file make "kcmshell screensaver" list nothing?  This is 
happening on kde-redhat 3.4 ( CentOS 4 ) and the core 4 test3 kde 3.4.

Any ideas?

- mark

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it will be helpful if you give the config files that 
needs to be changed 
running FC3 

thanks you 


--- Roberto Alsina <ralsina@kde.org> a écrit:
> Run X with the -nolisten option.
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- Rex Dieter <rdieter1@unl.edu> a écrit:
> > > hicham wrote:
> > > > --- Rex Dieter <rdieter1@unl.edu> a écrit:
> > > > 
> > > > > hicham wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > since I've made update in kde-redhat, I get a
> X11
> > > > > > port listening  Does anybody know how to get
> this
> > > port off ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > What port is it?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 'lsof' will also tell which process is
> listening
> > > on
> > > > > the port.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > lsof -i gives me :
> > > > X       3633    root    1u  IPv4   7564      
> TCP
> > > > *:x11 (LISTEN)
> > > 
> > > That's X, not kde.
> > ok it's X not kde
> > how do I get rid of that?
> > 
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> > 
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> it will be helpful if you give the config files that
> needs to be changed
> running FC3
> 
> thanks you

You know this is totally not kde-redhat related, right?
I have no idea if in FC3 it's the same, but probably /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers

> 
> 
> --- Roberto Alsina <ralsina@kde.org> a écrit:
> > Run X with the -nolisten option.
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- Rex Dieter <rdieter1@unl.edu> a écrit:
> > > > hicham wrote:
> > > > > --- Rex Dieter <rdieter1@unl.edu> a écrit:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > hicham wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > since I've made update in kde-redhat, I get a
> > X11
> > > > > > > port listening  Does anybody know how to get
> > this
> > > > port off ?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What port is it?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 'lsof' will also tell which process is
> > listening
> > > > on
> > > > > > the port.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > lsof -i gives me :
> > > > > X       3633    root    1u  IPv4   7564
> > TCP
> > > > > *:x11 (LISTEN)
> > > > 
> > > > That's X, not kde.
> > > ok it's X not kde
> > > how do I get rid of that?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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