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Subject:    Re: re [kde-promo] re: attention Andreas
From:       Christopher Lee Fleck <clfleck () valdosta ! edu>
Date:       2001-06-21 21:17:14
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You missed the point of what I was saying entirely.  Admonishing an artist's 
work because it offends somebody is hypocrisy when it's coming from those who 
champion the freedom of expression.

It's possible to say "this isn't right for our purposes" without pissing all 
over an artist's work.

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Christopher Lee Fleck

On Thursday 21 June 2001 04:57 pm, Dirk Doerflinger wrote:
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> On Thursday 21 June 2001 21:24, Christopher Lee Fleck wrote:
> > What I'm saying is that I don't believe it to be a reasonable
> > interpretation. Art can be construed to mean anything you want it to
> > mean, that's a simple fact.  And if the people working on the cover page
> > of the zine can't put whatever they deem artful and tasteful on it, then
> > heck, let's follow suit and tell all open source developers that they
> > must develop their application the way that "proper society" wants it. 
> > All I'm saying is let's not forget why we're here in the first place.
> 
> Hmm, I'd like this discussion - which seems IMHO very necessary, though it
> may bug some of us - to clear up a little bit!
> Please get in your minds that we are talking of an advert. I like the image
> very much in the sense of art, but in this kind, I view it as an advert.
> This advert is meant to attract people to come and have a closer look -
> same as Angela Jolie on a Lifestyle Magazine. OK, so far, BUT:
> The cover on the Lifestyle Mag has the intention, tha (esp. male) ppl are
> attracted to look at the mag not because Angela Jolie is (dunno really) a
> very smart person with good opinions or whatever, but because she is a very
> attractive Woman. This means, a human being is reduced to it's look and no
> more. How many ppl did ever listen to what Pamela Anderson has to say? Who
> did get the fact, that Sharon Stone has a quite high IQ (138??)? Hardly
> anybody, I guess. (Of course, my examples earn millions of $$$, but that's
> something else...)
> In other words: "behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes
> of social roles based on sex" are aimed by the publisher of the
> lifestyle Magazine.
> The same is going on with that cover for kdezine.
> Of course I don't say in _any_ way that Agnieszka aimed in that way. For
> me, Aga is a very talented and good artist/painter. She gave her best to
> produce a very great image. But I think she watched it from the artist's
> view, probably didn't think of possible reactions from this direction.
> But I think we shouldn't be the guys/girls who aim in this direction. We
> _will_ produce a great zine, that attracts people mainly by it's contents,
> and besides that with great covers, that don't offend anybody.
> 
> > Can we as a group of scientists, students, and artists really be accused
> > of such a thing?  Honestly, this picture is art, and it is expression,
> > and that, again, is why we are all here.
> 
> We can/will be accused about everything, as you may have seen on different
> cases....
> No need to feed the Media in any case.
> They may catch that up like a bunch of hungry wolves on a deer.
> 
> Regards,
> DD
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