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Subject:    Re: re [kde-promo] re: attention Andreas
From:       Christopher Lee Fleck <clfleck () valdosta ! edu>
Date:       2001-06-21 19:38:56
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Okay, then if we don't use the picture, let it be because it's a little too 
hot for the subject matter presented in the magazine and not because of how 
some people might interpret it.

--
Christopher Lee Fleck

On Thursday 21 June 2001 03:16 pm, Case wrote:
> Before I jump in, a disclaimer: I haven't seen the picture (although I
> tried on several separate occasions to view it).  My understanding of the
> picture is that it portrays a beautiful woman wearing little clothing, and
> looks similar to a cartoon version of Laura Croft.
> 
> In my opinion, this is probably not "sexist" (according to the dictionary
> definition provided), but could result in a decision of people in some
> cultures not to buy or pick up the magazine.  It is possible to imagine
> what kinds of things people might think about while making the decision to
> pick up the magazine:
> 
> 1) "What will I get from this magazine"
> 2) "What will other people think I am getting from this magazine"
> 
> If the person is embarassed by the answer to 2, they might not pick up the
> magazine at all.  If the answer to 1 isn't correct, then the magazine
> either has to pull a bait-'n-switch tactic (you got the magazine because of
> the pretty girl, but now that you're here don't you love the articles?) or
> the customer will just put the magazine down and reach for another.
> 
> Based on these questions, and my own personal experience, I think that a
> cover such as this would probably sell more copies to women than men, since
> men might be reluctant to seem like they are reaching for the one computer
> magazine that shows a picture of a woman rather than the technology, and
> women do not (as often) share this inhibition.
> 
> Case
> 
> PS. As an aside, imo, while it might be inaccurate to describe this as
> "sexist", it does tend towards the objectification of women because the
> portrayal of perfectly proportioned females overamplifies the importance of
> a woman's physical condition over other attributes of her personality or
> character.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kde-promo-admin@max.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de
> > [mailto:kde-promo-admin@max.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de]On Behalf Of
> > Christopher Lee Fleck
> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:30 AM
> > To: kde-promo@max.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de
> > Subject: Re: re [kde-promo] re: attention Andreas
> > 
> > > From Mariam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary:
> > 
> > Main Entry: sex·ism
> > Pronunciation: 'sek-"si-z&m
> > Function: noun
> > Etymology: 1sex + -ism (as in racism)
> > Date: 1968
> > 1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination
> > against women
> > 2 : behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social
> > roles based on sex
> > 
> > By very definition, putting this photo on the cover of the Zine is not
> > sexist.  The photo does not discriminate against women, and it does not
> > "foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex".  We're not showing her
> > cleaning up a living room or cooking dinner, are we?
> > 
> > The only thing here that I can see as possibly being sexist is
> > _not_ putting
> > her on the cover of the Zine because she's a female.  Depicting women
> > artistically is certainly not sexist.  If anything, it glorifies women.
> > 
> > I hope that this e-mail sheds a little light on where I was
> > coming from in my
> > previous post to this mailing list.
> > ----
> > Christopher Lee Fleck
> > 
> > On Thursday 21 June 2001 06:23 am, Eva Brucherseifer wrote:
> > > > Also, the issue of the proposed cover being sexist has been
> > 
> > dealt with in
> > 
> > > > this list already.  The fact that the cover was created by a female
> > > > without any prompting from other males is enough to shield us from
> > > > any possibly damaging criticism directed at us by the community.
> > > 
> > > That is a good one - take one person who is part of a minority
> > 
> > and who is
> > 
> > > on your side and that gives you the right to ignore the rest of the
> > > minority. Very fair :-(
> > > 
> > > Actually I like to appologize for being honest in my answer to
> > 
> > the request
> > 
> > > for comments. I didn't expect it to be a rhetorical question.
> > 
> > Next time I
> > 
> > > will know.
> > > 
> > > I am only wondering why certain people where so concerened
> > 
> > about men being
> > 
> > > offended by what we publish in kde-women (such as the presentation of
> > > kde-women I did in Brazil). Strange contradiction...
> > > 
> > > eva
> > > 
> > > > ----
> > > > Christopher Lee Fleck
> > > > 
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