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Subject:    [kde-promo] Re: 'diversification'
From:       Oriol Mirosa <omirosa () ssc ! wisc ! edu>
Date:       2010-10-27 19:52:24
Message-ID: 201010271452.24280.omirosa () ssc ! wisc ! edu
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+1 from me on everything Carl said. I agree with him that the division of 
labor between the Dot and the Planet is appropriate, and that the Dot should 
be edited to ensure a certain degree of coherence and quality. But I am also 
with Stu that it makes sense to monitor how things go for news.opensuse.org 
and we can re-evaluate what we want to do in a few months based on what we 
learn from their experience.

Oriol

A Dimecres 27 Octubre 2010 10:32:06, Carl Symons va escriure:
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Stuart Jarvis <stuart.jarvis@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > On Wednesday 27 October 2010 14:05:17 Justin Kirby wrote:
> > Heh, seems I never remember to reply to anything nowadays until you do
> > > -)
> > 
> > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Jos Poortvliet
> > 
> > <jospoortvliet@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > One is the multitude of communication platforms openSUSE has. KDE is
> > > > doing reasonably well: kde.org is the home page, dot is the 'official'
> > > > news site,
> > > > and planet is for community contributions. But now there is
> > > > projects.kde.org,
> > > > with it's own news feed.
> > 
> > That freaked me out when I discovered it, but then I realised it's 'just'
> > a front end to the git projects (I hope?). Syndicating it into some of
> > our other news channels could be good though (www front page?)
> 
> kde.org is the home page > editorial/web-master duties clear and assigned
> 
> dot KDE official news > moderated, timed according to the Grand
> Schedule that Jos will be giving to Stu soon B^), curated, a source of
> interesting, substantial, well-written news done in accord with KDE
> philosophy and collaboration
> 
> plant  > aggregation of community contributions. Selected
> contributors, but they edit and moderate themselves. Much looser
> relationship with KDE. projects.kde.org fits with planet-contributions
> from selected people/projects. Little curation, moderation or editing.
> 
> > In general, ever time I find another .kde.org subdomain I imaging God
> > killing a kitten. discover.kde.org, spread.kde.org - just a couple among
> > many zombies...
> > 
> > > > It's great but maybe think about integrating
> > > > things a
> > > > bit more somehow? Showing the news on planet or something, I dunno...
> > 
> > Planet has a config option to include Dot articles (Jonathan and myself
> > put that in a month or two back). Likewise application team feeds,
> > spanish blogs etc
> 
> It's appropriate to syndicate Dot into Planet. Syndicating in the
> other direction makes the Dot redundant.
> 
> > > > Second, during my time in Promo I have often been frustrated a bit
> > > > with great
> > > > posts about conferences or releases being posted on planet - while I
> > > > thought
> > > > they should've been going to the dot.
> > 
> > Yep
> 
> Marketing. This is a question about getting people to understand the
> value of Dot and to share information with Dot. It may also involve
> doing Dot stories about great Planet posts, even if after the fact.
> 
> > > > We have the same in openSUSE and
> > > > are currently discussing a solution: get rid of news.o.o as an
> > > > independent thing
> > > > but instead turn it into a chery-picking tool for the planet. The
> > > > marketing peeps who used to write there will get a 'marketing blog'
> > > > which will be automatically aggregated on news, the rest can be
> > > > choosen where and when needed.
> > 
> > I'd be interested in the technicalities of that, but more below where
> > Justin mentions that
> > 
> > > > This could also be a possible solution for the dot - it's something to
> > > > think
> > > > about. It surely has dis-advantages - you can't edit the planet posts,
> > > > for example. But as add-on it might just work ;-)
> > > 
> > > Interesting idea...I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other
> > > but here are a few things that come to mind in no particular order:
> > > 
> > > - It would probably require less 'editing' work given it's aggregating
> > > and we can't edit at all in that scenario.  No html code formatting,
> > > begging for pictures, etc would be nice :)
> > 
> > True. However, we could also achieve that by giving everyone on the
> > Planet editor privileges on the Dot and getting them to upload their
> > articles directly - presumably we don't do that because we see some
> > benefit in the editing process. Likewise, we could abandon the two
> > editors have to check rule, which again would make things quicker at the
> > expense of perhaps a drop in quality - there would be more typos etc.
> > 
> > (I don't favour any of the above)
> 
> I don't favor loose editor privileges. On a recent article, I made a
> number of changes of "i" to "I". This is an American English error
> that is natural for a German speaker to make. But that construction
> doesn't belong in the Dot.
> 
> > > - In general the work load on the Dot editor team would be less I guess
> > > if we implemented it, which is consistently low on active volunteers.
> > 
> > It has got worse recently because some previously active people have got
> > busier with other things. If we can clone or recruit a few more Carls
> > then we'd be ok :-)
> 
> Thank you, Stu. It's nice to be appreciated.
> 
> However, the workload is not substantial when the articles are
> complete. What takes time is resizing pictures, cleaning up links,
> researching people's names, in short, the kinds of things that could
> be done more easily by the people submitting the articles. That is not
> a complaint; it's the start of an idea about how to deal with the
> workload. The Dot contact page (
> http://kdenews.org/content/contact-dot-editors) could be amended to
> include "marketing puffery" (this is what the Dot can do for
> you...whiter whites, brighter brights; audience size in the low
> billions) and guidelines (example: submitting pictures - please
> include 2 versions of screenshots, one approximately 300 px wide, the
> other large enough to be readable at 100%. Similar with group
> pictures.)
> 
> > > Anything that makes life easier in that respect is good imo.
> > > - I assume this would mean putting in an entirely new content management
> > > system in place of the Dot to pull it off.  May or may not be a big
> > > deal...it's not like our sysadmins are sitting around bored these days
> > > > )
> > 
> > This is the killer for me. Syndication tools exist and could work on a
> > specific tag/category being applied by the target authors (for example)
> > but I'm note aware of a tool that allows us to easily import posts on an
> > ad-hoc basis, could be one out there though. However, syndication tools
> > can result in some funky things - the Planet sometimes has interesting
> > formatting issues and doesn't handle images with captions that well.
> > 
> > It also would mean that if you read the Planet there would be little
> > point in reading the Dot any more.
> > 
> > > - It would result in the Dot never having exclusive/original content.
> > 
> > It could still be possible to add original content - as Jos suggests,
> > existing writers could get a special blog for this purpose, that perhaps
> > only appears on the news site.
> > 
> > > - It would result in the Dot getting more well written articles from KDE
> > > community members who wouldn't normally submit articles to the Dot.
> > > - Would it matter to authors/bloggers that we're taking their blog
> > > articles and thrusting them into a much larger audience?  Jos, did all
> > > the openSUSE folks seem to be ok with this sort of thing?  I just know
> > > some people might not want their stuff being put on a 'news site' vs
> > > the planet but then again, if they're posting an article on the planet
> > > it seems like they'd already expect a wide audience anyways?
> > 
> > Practically - we could make it opt in
> 
> Ask. The Dot environment is different from Planet. There will probably
> not be articles on the Dot about Ethiopian cooking. But that was a
> sweet personal blog post by someone on Planet.
> 
> Including op/ed should fit with a Dot editorial policy and be of
> interest to the Dot audience.
> 
> > > - Would it matter that things are often written in a different
> > > journalistic style in blogs compared to how articles have been written
> > > for a news site like the Dot?
> > 
> > It would be a very different site, imho more like the Reddit KDE page or
> > Tuxmachines. news.opensuse.org already looks quite a lot different to the
> > Dot from what I can see. More articles are not necessarily a win if the
> > quality drops and people stop following the Dot
> > 
> > So, my few units of a monetary system of your choice:
> > - I'd be interested to see news.opensuse.org try this - rather them than
> > us, to be honest ;-)
> > - I'd be interested to see how they deal with the technical issues,
> > whether they can find a platform that makes this easy or have to build
> > their own (this is a blocker imho until it is proven to be possible)
> > - I'd be interested to see how they deal with political issues, self-
> > governance in automated syndication (rants on news.opensuse.org?) picking
> > articles and keeping decent quality, some style and formatting
> > consistency - If it works well for them, we can debate it and steal
> > their software and processes if we think it could work for us.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Stu
> > 
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