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Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] dot and kdenews
From:       Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet () gmail ! com>
Date:       2010-05-09 9:43:24
Message-ID: h2s5847e5cf1005090243u79b9018egc4cf74bea9b33e18 () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Troy Unrau <troy.unrau@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7 May 2010 14:58, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Kenny Duffus <kenny@kde.org> wrote:
> > > why do we have the same content served on the 2 urls dot.kde.org and
> > > kdenews.org ?.
> > 
> > Ok, maybe not, I have no idea why this is, I'm sure it has some
> > historical reasons ;-)
> 
> IIRC, and I may not, the original name for the news website was
> KDE.news, not the dot. In fact, afaik, that is still the official name
> of the news website. The dot became an alias for the site for two
> reason: it was the url used when setting up squishdot or whatever it
> was that originally powered the site years ago - basically a
> clone/copy of the software that ran slashdot at the time; and the name
> KDE.news features a dot in the middle rather than a space.
> 
> Then we just started posting urls pointing to dot.kde.org instead of
> kdenews.org for some bizarre reason, and the former won out over the
> latter until we all simply called it 'the dot'. Some sites, such as
> lwn.net, still refer to the site by the official name (KDE.News --
> see, for example: http://lwn.net/Articles/371205/). Additionally, it
> still appears in the website title and header.
> 
> So the correct answer is that KDE.news is the official name, and the
> dot is just a convenient shortname that has, over time, become the
> dominant name.

Thanks for the history lesson ;-)

> > maybe the sysadmins know more?
> > 
> > > the rss feed on dot.kde.org points to stories on www.kdenews.org
> > > 
> > > why and should we fix this?
> 
> The only reason I can think of to fix this is that results from both
> dot.kde.org and kdenews.org are returned in google search results. But
> then again, having two results in the top 10 might actually be a Good
> Thing(TM).
> 
> This does bring up another topic, however, in that of the dot's recent
> integration with promo. Up until about the 4.0 release (give or take a
> little), the dot would have been considered a general news source for
> people interested in KDE. It would link to intresting third party
> articles, blogs, interviews, stats reports, etc. These days, it has
> been consolidated into a KDE Promo platform. I'm not saying that this
> is a bad thing, per se, as it is important for the Promo team to have
> such a platform, however it now has the perception of only publishing
> official stories - much like the official google blog does. In the
> process, we've lost an outlet for the less official stories.
> 
> Should the two domain thing really bother people, one possible
> solution I'd suggest would be to split the dot from kdenews.org
> domains, and repurpose kdenews.org as a larger news aggregator for
> unofficial stories, or release announcements not considered important
> enough for the dot any longer. It could then live on in the original
> spirit of the dot, leaving the dot as the natural platform for promo
> releases. I'd be interested in thoughts on this, since it's something
> that's been slowly bothering me for several years now.

Hmmm. Technically, we're still the outlet we were before - anyone can
send in articles, and while we might have become slightly more
restrictive, I don't feel we're closed down for 'less official'
stories. You're right in mentioning less important release
announcements, but those can be put on either individual websites and
blogs - aggregated on the planet (and buzz.kde.org).

I wonder if any, let alone a lot independent stories might come to
this kdenews.org - unless we turn it into an automatic aggregation of
news... Still, if you or anyone feels we might solicit more input from
outside of the close group of KDE people, this might be the way to do
it and I would support it.

Greetings,
Jos

> Cheers
> 
> --
> Troy Unrau, B.Sc.G.Sc.(Hons.)
> Planetary sciences M.Sc. candidate - University of Western Ontario
> http://cpsx.es.uwo.ca
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