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List:       kde-promo
Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] KDE & itsme
From:       Stéphane_Laurière <slauriere () mandriva ! com>
Date:       2010-02-01 14:39:58
Message-ID: 4B66E7BE.5050408 () mandriva ! com
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Hi everyone,

As a follow-up, just in case you don't know about it, Sebastian will
give a talk on the current status and the future of Nepomuk in the
CrossDesktop room at the FOSDEM next Sunday [1]. That'd be great to see
some ItsMe contributors there for discussing any possible future
synergies between the two projects.

[1] http://www.fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/xd_nepomuk

Hoping to see you in Brussels,

Cheers

Stéphane Laurière, in charge of semantic and collaborative technologies
at Mandriva


> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Vincenzo Di Massa 
> <vincenzo.dimassa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I CC Nico Sica, our PR person, and Giovanni Martinelli, our 
>> developement leader, so that KDE-promo has the contacts of the
>> persons in the "control room".
>> 
>> Then I CC Michele Tameni our "worst enemy" Gnome fanboy and itsme
>> developer :-)
> 
> Hi all!
> 
>> Btw, it is not itsme talking to KDE here, it is Vincenzo speaking. 
>> Only Giovanni and Nico can speak for itsme.
>> 
>> I answer inline ...
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jos Poortvliet
>> <jospoortvliet@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>>> Maybe it's worth an interview or you guys can host a meeting or
>>> something sometime, that's a neath way of getting closer to the
>>> KDE community.
>> Nico, Giovanni: what about a meeting or hosting? Even skype call
>> could be a nice start point.
> 
> Depending on what and how much you do with KDE technology a story on 
> the dot might be possible. That's quite a high-profile site with many
>  other news sites picking it up.
> 
> <snip>
>> You know the effect that the 4.0 release had on Gtk/Gnome people...
>> we are not there anymore, but it still hurts sometimes. (I'm not
>> blaming the 4.0 release, but we must admit it gave new energies to
>> so many trolls). Maybe talking with KDE people who are good at
>> communicating it could emerge how much KDE technologies shine today
>> :-)
> 
> Well, the 4.0 release has hurt some users (due to distributions 
> shipping it despite our discouragement), but since then our developer
>  force has doubled. For developers the 4.0 release was great - a 
> framework which is technically ahead of whatever MS and Apple can 
> throw at us.
> 
>> Well, lets me "patch" this part of my previous email: we studied
>> and internally documented many KDE technologies (plamsa, akonadi,
>> nepomuk, soprano, strigi, -virtuoso-, and others I can't remember
>> right now)... we had meetings where everyone else had to
>> listen/learn about those pieces of software. Then we decided to
>> start using soprano+sesame2... I was involved in the implementation
>> of a basic backend for soprano then moved back to GUI stuff.
>> 
>> Look at the following slides (particularly slide 82) for a
>> description of what role soprano played 
>> http://www.slideshare.net/itsmesrl/itsme-lezione-usi-lugano
> 
> Interesting.
> 
>> Since then we had problems with soprano and a guy in our team
>> started experimenting with tracker. He immediately felt better with
>> tracker (he is a Gtk/Gnome kind of person :-P), and the whole team
>> was convinced that using tracker + DIY (do it yourself) would be
>> better than trying to fix soprano (wich because of sesame was
>> really feature missing at the time). Since then they migrated
>> Guglielmo (the itsme equivalent of nepomuk-kde) and AVFS (will have
>> a new name shortly, basically it is a fuse overlay over the RDF
>> storage, sort of like KIO::nepomuk) to tracker.
> 
> Well, that is unfortunate as it is my understanding from Sebastian 
> Trueg's website that the new virtuosa backend for Soprano kind'a 
> solves the problems it has... http://trueg.wordpress.com/
> 
>> Our initial Guglielmo code will hopefully be released as
>> open-source in a month or so.
>> 
>> So they know what the technologies do, and they tried to use
>> them... Where I wrote "our developers not understanding the benefit
>> of the Nepomuk integration with the rest of KDE products" please
>> read "our developers not evaluating the benefits of the Nepomuk
>> integration with the other KDE technologies more than the efforts
>> needed to fix Nepomuk/Soprano".
>> 
>> In my opinion what my team is not "understanding" is that the 
>> flexibility and the tight integration of KDE technologies is really
>>  huge compared to the cost of "fixing it when it does not work for
>> your needs".
> 
> Yes, I guess that's something really worth communicating. It takes a 
> while to get the infrastructure up and running but once you do you
> can get features others spend months on in a couple of hours.
> 
>>> Tracker is really not flexible enough for what you want to do, as
>>> far as I can tell.
>> I have the same impression, but I guess that experimenting both 
>> tracker and soprano is added value to itsme and KDE and Gnome :-)
>> 
>> Maybe we could write a post about the switch  and its reasons.
> 
> That would be interesting - if anyone on your team could blog about 
> that, I can link to it from planet.kde.org. Or even more interesting,
>  talk about it with Sebastian ;-)
> 
>>> How about we get a Nepomuk person to your company to help you 
>>> guys out?
>> I would love to meet people from the Nepomuk team (we contacted 
>> Sebastian Trueg while working on soprano and also submitted some 
>> patches)
> 
> Cool. I guess you contacted developers using IRC or mailinglists or 
> personal mail? This works best when it comes to getting answers ;-)
> 
> Of course when it comes to making decisions on technology there are a
>  couple of companies in the KDE ecosystem who can help with that. For
>  example KDAB, BasysKom, KO GmbH and Collabora.
> 
> To get down to business:
> 
> - I would love to hear a bit more about your usage of KDE 
> technologies, that might lead to a dot story. We can take it from 
> there and see if there are more ways to cooperate in the marketing
> and promo department.
> 
> - I will ask Sebastian Trueg to get in contact with you and see if he
>  can help out on the Nepomuk things.
> 
> - When it comes to technical questions you should really contact the 
> appropriate developers through IRC, mailinglists etc, if you need
> help ask me. For more in-depth consultancy contact one of the KDE 
> businesses.
> 
> Did I miss anything?
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Jos Poortvliet KDE Marketing


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Stéphane Laurière
Mandriva http://mandriva.com
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