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From: Justin Kirby <justin () neomantra ! org>
Date: 2010-01-03 22:30:01
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Alright, new plan of action then. It's probably been 6 months or more sinc=
e
I last reviewed all of the mailing list activity at this point. I will go
back and do one more run through, as I hit each list I will email that admi=
n
address if it seems to be out of date. I will use the text I copied in to
earlier emails in this thread when contacting them and report back to the
sysadmins with the final results. I'll probably post a planet blog entry
real quick before I get going so there is at least some awareness that I'll
be nagging people. :)
Martin, thanks for the prior offer on writing the script to help with these
emails but since I'm going to change the email addresses we're using and
will be going through the lists one by one again there's not much point in
having you spend time on writing something up for me. I'll just send
individual emails as I go.
Thanks,
Justin
2010/1/3 Ingo Kl=F6cker <kloecker@kde.org>
> On Sunday 03 January 2010, Justin Kirby wrote:
> > Ingo,
> >
> > Using your list as an example, here is what I see at the bottom of
> > the kde-core-devel page you just linked to:
> >
> > kde-core-devel <https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-core-devel>
> > list run by coolo at kde.org, dfaure at kde.org, per.kde at
> > gmail.com<kde-core-devel-owner@kde.org>
>
> Those are the addresses of the list administrators. As you can see they
> are all linked to kde-core-devel-owner@kde.org and not to the
> individual addresses.
>
>
> > What I did was go into each page such as
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-core-devel and copy those
> > email addresses from that line into my spreadsheet. Sounds like
> > maybe this is no good and I need to replace the email addresses with
> > listname-owner@kde.org for each list that seems to be out of date?
> > (e.g. kde-core-devel-owner (at) kde.org in this example)
>
> Yes, sending the messages to listname-owner@kde.org is preferable to
> sending it to the individual addresses. The result will be the same,
> i.e. the same people will receive the messages.
>
>
> Regards,
> Ingo
>
>
> > 2010/1/2 Ingo Kl=F6cker <kloecker@kde.org>
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have resorted the replies. You can find my reply inline below.
> > >
> > > On Saturday 02 January 2010, Justin Kirby wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Matt Rogers <mattr@kde.org> wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 01 January 2010 10:51:28 am Justin Kirby wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Justin Kirby wrote:
> > > > > > > 2009/12/30 Ingo Kl=F6cker <kloecker@kde.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday 24 December 2009, Justin Kirby wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Thanks Martin! I copied the email text I had in mind
> > > > > > > > > below and the spreadsheet is attached. I used << >>'s
> > > > > > > > > to signify where info would need to be pulled in from
> > > > > > > > > the spreadsheet. Also, for some
> > > > > > > > > lists there are multiple moderators. We separated
> > > > > > > > > their email addresses with spaces in that column when
> > > > > > > > > there was more than one. Let me know if you have any
> > > > > > > > > questions or need clarification.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hint: It would be much easier to use
> > > > > > > > listname-owner@kde.org instead of the addresses of all
> > > > > > > > admins/moderators.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wow, I really wish I'd known about that moderator mailing
> > > > > > > list 6 months ago
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > :) Thanks Ingo!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So maybe instead of sending out all these individualized
> > > > > > > emails we could just send the following to that mailing
> > > > > > > list and then take appropriate action. Please let me know
> > > > > > > if anyone has any feedback on this, otherwise I will go
> > > > > > > ahead and send it out early next week:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > > > Ack...maybe I misread that. Ingo, is there a "mailing list
> > > > > > of list admins"? Or were you just saying we could use one
> > > > > > email address for each list instead of mailing each moderator
> > > > > > on every list individually?
> > > > >
> > > > > There are list owner addresses that are fowarders to the
> > > > > mailing list administrators.
> > >
> > > Hmm, AFAIK I'm just a moderator of kde-core-devel (at least, I'm
> > > not mentioned in the footer of
> > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-core-devel), but I still
> > > receive copies of messages sent to kde-core-devel-owner@kde.org.
> > > *shrug*
> > >
> > > > > So, for the kopete-devel list, there is a
> > > > > kopete-devel-owner@kde.org email address that forwards to me,
> > > > > since I'm the mailing list
> > > > > admin for that list. For lists with multiple owners, everybody
> > > > > listed as a mailing list owner would get the mail. Note that
> > > > > mailing list owners are separate from list moderators.
> > > >
> > > > Matt, thanks for the clarification. I believe the spreadsheet we
> > > > compiled only lists the moderators' email addresses.
> > >
> > > I think you mean list admins instead of moderators. :-)
> > >
> > > > Is it even
> > > > necessary to contact the moderators? Should we just contact the
> > > > list admins? Or should we really be pinging them both?
> > >
> > > I think contacting the list admins (aka list owners) should be
> > > sufficient.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ingo
> > >
> > >
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Alright, new plan of action then. It's probably been 6 months or more since I \
last reviewed all of the mailing list activity at this point. I will go back and do \
one more run through, as I hit each list I will email that admin address if it seems \
to be out of date. I will use the text I copied in to earlier emails in this thread \
when contacting them and report back to the sysadmins with the final results. \
I'll probably post a planet blog entry real quick before I get going so there is \
at least some awareness that I'll be nagging people. :)<div> \
<br></div><div>Martin, thanks for the prior offer on writing the script to help with \
these emails but since I'm going to change the email addresses we're using \
and will be going through the lists one by one again there's not much point in \
having you spend time on writing something up for me. I'll just send individual \
emails as I go.</div> <div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Justin<br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">2010/1/3 Ingo Klöcker <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:kloecker@kde.org">kloecker@kde.org</a>></span><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">On Sunday 03 January 2010, Justin Kirby \
wrote:<br> > Ingo,<br>
><br>
> Using your list as an example, here is what I see at the bottom of<br>
> the kde-core-devel page you just linked to:<br>
><br>
</div>> kde-core-devel <<a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-core-devel" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-core-devel</a>><br> <div \
class="im">> list run by coolo at <a href="http://kde.org" \
target="_blank">kde.org</a>, dfaure at <a href="http://kde.org" \
target="_blank">kde.org</a>, per.kde at<br> </div>> <a href="http://gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gmail.com</a><<a \
href="mailto:kde-core-devel-owner@kde.org">kde-core-devel-owner@kde.org</a>><br> \
<br> Those are the addresses of the list administrators. As you can see they<br>
are all linked to <a \
href="mailto:kde-core-devel-owner@kde.org">kde-core-devel-owner@kde.org</a> and not \
to the<br> individual addresses.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
> What I did was go into each page such as<br>
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-core-devel" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-core-devel</a> and copy \
those<br> > email addresses from that line into my spreadsheet. Sounds like<br>
> maybe this is no good and I need to replace the email addresses with<br>
> <a href="mailto:listname-owner@kde.org">listname-owner@kde.org</a> for each list \
that seems to be out of date?<br> > (e.g. kde-core-devel-owner (at) <a \
href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">kde.org</a> in this example)<br> <br>
</div>Yes, sending the messages to <a \
href="mailto:listname-owner@kde.org">listname-owner@kde.org</a> is preferable to<br> \
sending it to the individual addresses. The result will be the same,<br> i.e. the \
same people will receive the messages.<br> <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<font color="#888888">Ingo<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
> 2010/1/2 Ingo Klöcker <<a \
href="mailto:kloecker@kde.org">kloecker@kde.org</a>><br> ><br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > I have resorted the replies. You can find my reply inline below.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Saturday 02 January 2010, Justin Kirby wrote:<br>
> > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Matt Rogers <<a \
href="mailto:mattr@kde.org">mattr@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> > > > > On \
Friday 01 January 2010 10:51:28 am Justin Kirby wrote:<br> > > > > > \
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Justin Kirby wrote:<br> > > > > > \
> 2009/12/30 Ingo Klöcker <<a \
href="mailto:kloecker@kde.org">kloecker@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> > > > \
> > > > On Thursday 24 December 2009, Justin Kirby wrote:<br> > > \
> > > > > > Thanks Martin! I copied the email text I had in \
mind<br> > > > > > > > > below and the spreadsheet is \
attached. I used << >>'s<br> > > > > > > > > \
to signify where info would need to be pulled in from<br> > > > > > \
> > > the spreadsheet. Also, for some<br> > > > > > > > \
> lists there are multiple moderators. We separated<br> > > > > > \
> > > their email addresses with spaces in that column when<br> > > \
> > > > > > there was more than one. Let me know if you have \
any<br> > > > > > > > > questions or need clarification.<br>
> > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > Hint: It would be much easier to use<br>
> > > > > > > <a \
href="mailto:listname-owner@kde.org">listname-owner@kde.org</a> instead of the \
addresses of all<br> > > > > > > > admins/moderators.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Wow, I really wish I'd known about that moderator \
mailing<br> > > > > > > list 6 months ago<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > :) Thanks Ingo!<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > So maybe instead of sending out all these \
individualized<br> > > > > > > emails we could just send the \
following to that mailing<br> > > > > > > list and then take \
appropriate action. Please let me know<br> > > > > > > if anyone \
has any feedback on this, otherwise I will go<br> > > > > > > ahead \
and send it out early next week:<br> > ><br>
> > [snip]<br>
> ><br>
> > > > > Ack...maybe I misread that. Ingo, is there a "mailing \
list<br> > > > > > of list admins"? Or were you just saying we \
could use one<br> > > > > > email address for each list instead of \
mailing each moderator<br> > > > > > on every list individually?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > There are list owner addresses that are fowarders to the<br>
> > > > mailing list administrators.<br>
> ><br>
> > Hmm, AFAIK I'm just a moderator of kde-core-devel (at least, \
I'm<br> > > not mentioned in the footer of<br>
> > <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-core-devel" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-core-devel</a>), but I \
still<br> > > receive copies of messages sent to <a \
href="mailto:kde-core-devel-owner@kde.org">kde-core-devel-owner@kde.org</a>.<br> > \
> *shrug*<br> > ><br>
> > > > So, for the kopete-devel list, there is a<br>
> > > > <a \
href="mailto:kopete-devel-owner@kde.org">kopete-devel-owner@kde.org</a> email address \
that forwards to me,<br> > > > > since I'm the mailing list<br>
> > > > admin for that list. For lists with multiple owners, \
everybody<br> > > > > listed as a mailing list owner would get the mail. \
Note that<br> > > > > mailing list owners are separate from list \
moderators.<br> > > ><br>
> > > Matt, thanks for the clarification. I believe the spreadsheet we<br>
> > > compiled only lists the moderators' email addresses.<br>
> ><br>
> > I think you mean list admins instead of moderators. :-)<br>
> ><br>
> > > Is it even<br>
> > > necessary to contact the moderators? Should we just contact the<br>
> > > list admins? Or should we really be pinging them both?<br>
> ><br>
> > I think contacting the list admins (aka list owners) should be<br>
> > sufficient.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> > Ingo<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > This message is from the kde-promo mailing list.<br>
> ><br>
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target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-promo</a> to<br> > > \
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