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Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] Helping distros with the branding
From:       Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet () gmail ! com>
Date:       2009-12-18 22:58:41
Message-ID: 200912190001.22942.jospoortvliet () gmail ! com
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On Friday 18 December 2009 17:56:14 Nathan Ogden wrote:
> On 12/18/2009 11:14 AM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Carl Symons <carlsymons@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:41:27 -0500
> >>> From: Justin Kirby <justin@neomantra.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [kde-promo] Helping distros with the branding
> >>>
> >>>>> It would support KDE branding better and be more accurate for this to
> >>>>
> >>>> read:
> >>>>> "The Fedora KDE spin is a powerful Fedora-based operating system
> >>>>> utilizing Plasma as the main user interface. Fedora KDE comes with
> >>>>> many pre-selected top quality applications that suit all modern
> >>>>> desktop use cases - from online communication like web browsing,
> >>>>> instant messaging and electronic mail correspondence, through
> >>>>> multimedia and entertainment, to an advanced productivity suite,
> >>>>> including office applications and enterprise grade personal
> >>>>> information management. All KDE applications are well integrated,
> >>>>> with a similar look and feel and an easy to use interface,
> >>>>> accompanied by an outstanding graphical appearance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Fedora KDE spin is based on the latest KDE 4 technology as
> >>>>> provided by KDE open source community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's your desktop."
> >>
> >> (From Jos)
> >>
> >>>> However. If Fedora wants to have a desktop and a netbook spin, should
> >>>> they use Plasma or KDE?
> >>>>
> >>>> So the Fedora Plasma Desktop spin and the Fedora Plasma Netbook spin?
> >>>>
> >>>> Or the Fedora KDE Desktop spin and the Fedora KDE netbook spin?
> >>>>
> >>>> As I wrote, I'm leaning to the first - Plasma Desktop spin and Plasma
> >>>> Netbook spin. As this supports the decoupling of apps vs workspace.
> >>>> But it might lower the usage (and thus value?) of our main brand, KDE.
> >>>> So what do others think?
> >>>
> >>> I have only been following this conversation loosely but this last bit
> >>> seems a real problem.  I think in the longer term once "Plasma" has had
> >>> more time to resonate with anyone who likes KDE's products then it
> >>> could perhaps stand on its own.  But right now I think many users might
> >>> see that and have no idea it is actually the same thing which was
> >>> formerly KDE.  The flip side is if you just say "Fedora KDE Desktop"
> >>> you are right back to where we started before the rebranding so I
> >>> really don't think we want to go that route either.
> >>>
> >>> I agree it's a bit long but I think saying "Fedora KDE Plasma spin"
> >>> (perhaps leave out desktop since that's default/implied?) or "Fedora
> >>> KDE Plasma Netbook spin" are the most reasonable choices given the
> >>> alternatives.  If you think about it, even for Gnome it will be just
> >>> about as long (i.e. Fedora Gnome Netbook spin" it's only a few
> >>> characters shorter than what we'd be using).
> >>>
> >>> Justin
> >>
> >> Good thoughts Justin. "Plasma" alone (with no KDE context) loses the
> >> KDE cachet, as well as the connection to the well-established KDE
> >> brand. KDE rebranding is a work-in-progress, not an accomplished
> >> result. It may be necessary to use "KDE Plasma" until there is
> >> sufficient momentum for "Plasma" alone.
> >>
> >> Still, the main point is "helping distros with branding". KDE4
> >> represents a fundamental re-thinking of "desktop environment" or
> >> "display/window manager". Someone in the process of deciding between
> >> the KDE and XFCE (for example) Fedora spins probably does not
> >> understand what KDE is all about. It seems like the best way out is to
> >> help the Fedora Project understand KDE branding. They may want to
> >> rethink "The default desktop environment of Fedora is GNOME, but if
> >> you prefer an alternative desktop environment such as KDE or
> >> XFCE...[take a spin]."
> >>
> >> The Fedora Plasma Netbook vs Plasma Desktop, etc. question probably
> >> needs to be addressed along with Fedora. There is a Fedora Mini SIG
> >> that is playing with Moblin. Not clear how active it is. There is no
> >> listed Fedora Netbook spin. Matt Asay wrote:
> >> (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10260478-16.html; "Red Hat's Fedora
> >> 11: So easy you'll forget it's Linux") "In fact, my only real
> >> complaint with Fedora 11 is that it doesn't yet have a Netbook-focused
> >> "spin." I'm not alone in seeking a "Fedora Netbook Remix," but Fedora
> >> Mini, as it's called, is not yet ready for prime time."
> >>
> >> Given the way Fedora spins are organized and labeled, the most
> >> appropriate labels would seem to be KDE and KDE Netbook, with
> >> appropriate tag lines - currently "KDE - A complete, modern desktop
> >> built using the K Desktop Environment (KDE)."
> >>
> >> Fedora is only an example of the need to connect with the distros,
> >> communicating that KDE has changed...fundamentally.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >
> > Ok, this thread is getting long and full of deep thoughts. However, we
> > also need answers. Nathan, would you be willing to think about this
> > deeply again and resume your great work, sumarising the open
> > questions, getting them answered and putting the conclusions on the
> > wiki?
> 
> I'm assuming here you are talking about creating a temporary "todo" page
> that would list the questions and answers as they come. Then, once the
> questions are answered, transfer them to another page on the wiki. Or
> would this page become something like a FAQ page we can point people to?
> 
> Either way, my answer to your question would be, "Yes, I'm willing to
> work on it."

He, that rocks. Do it as you seem fit. Doesn't have to be a wiki, you can note 
things for yourself, discuss them to get the answers, and once done, put them 
in the wiki.

Just take charge, get it done.


...




Might be the weed talking here, but I love you guys/girls. You, Nathan, cuz 
the attitude you display is just great. Justin. Stuart. Ingo. Luca. Our 
beloved Lydia. And every name I just didn't think of now ;-)

I mean, we take it for granted so often. Sebas, Nuno, Eugene, Myriam, Kenny. 
Been around for ages, experienced, go their way working on this. How the hell 
is it possible, why the heck are we doing this? Nobody paying us, jet we 
soldier on. Hmmm, I'm feeling darn introspective tonight. Again, weed. And 
beer.

But it's way cool of ya'all. Having fun while working. Gotta be crazy, I 
suppose. And we do it for... learning new skills? because the technology is 
interesting? cuz we're bored? crazy workaholics?

me - all of it a bit. But also something more important.

It's all of you guys/girls. Have a beer on Nathan, me, all of us, tonight. I'm 
going to the fridge now.

greetz,
It's all of you guys/girls. Have a beer on Nathan, me, all of us, tonight. I'm 
going to the fridge now.

Jos



> Nathan

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