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Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] KDE4. www4?
From:       Sebastian Kuegler <sebas () kde ! org>
Date:       2008-03-21 11:41:50
Message-ID: 200803211241.51114.sebas () kde ! org
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On Monday 17 March 2008 22:45:00 Luke Parry wrote:
> I don't know if my message gets across each time, but some organisation and
> plan is needed, as it is just a recurring cycle.

There's lots of talk and very little people who actually take some pages and 
do something about it. It's not hard, but it's more boring than discussing 
things on a list for ages, tinkering about CMS or not. Honestly, get an SVN 
account, get the www commit bit and start doing work (or send the patches to 
the www list until you have the commit bit). There is no other way to get the 
websites sorted. 

In the past, I've tried to get a webteam together. Most people needed large 
amounts of hand-holding, others just wanted to 'do their thing' and not care 
about how that fits into the organisation. Those efforts died out, as did my 
motivation to lead a webteam. I've pretty much given up on it.

Just a random example: We have a system that makes it reasonably easy to send 
in changes or corrections. If everything worked fine, it's a matter of 
committing a patch that was generated by the PHP scripts. Yet no one even 
steps up to fix the obvious problems (the patches send are line-broken, no 
biggie). That patch has been lying around for more than a year. That doesn't 
suggest to me that *anyone* really cares.

(Well some do, there *are* people who commit patches to www/, but those people 
have very little time, because they feel responsible for more than just 
www/.)

All in all, you can have the N-th CMS discussion just fine, for me it's just 
noise on the list. Everybody knows better when it comes to discussion, but no 
one of those feels tempted to just fix some very obvious problems and thereby 
learn how things can be improved using a process that works for all, 
integrate in a team and all. And no, just ditching what we have now and start 
anew completely is not that process. Been there, done that, rejected the 
t-shirt.

</rant>
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sebas

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