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Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] Negative feedback about KDE non-openmindedness in german  Heise-Forum
From:       Eva Brucherseifer <eva () kde ! org>
Date:       2002-02-21 9:48:07
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On Thursday 21 February 2002 03:09, Andreas Pour wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am certainly reading the discussion, but I hesitate to comment because
> I do not feel comfortable speaking on behalf of the League.  To do that,
> I need to have further discussions with the League members.  I plan to
> do this in conjunction with the annual meeting which will occur in the
> next month or so, and at that point I can offer an "official" response.

Actually I was hoping that some of the other KDE people that are members of 
the KDE League and/or the KDE e.V. would comment on this. Dre - You are the 
only one who is always present and who is obviously working hard. (Your paper 
for the antitrust is quite good and I know how much it takes to write a good 
paper...)
So the only thing I would like to ask you for is this: Please beg the others, 
esp. KDE e.V. to answer all the open questions.

Who are the other members anyways?
In KDE League I know about you and Chris Schläger.
And KDE e.V. I know about Martin Konold, Chris Schläger, Mirko. 
Anyone else?

After reading all the mails here I have the impression that we need to ask 
KDE e.V. not KDE League.
At german expos we so far received and are receiving money by KDE e.V. I 
asked where the money comes from, but I got only very vague answers.
I also got the information that it is not very much.

Well, maybe we should all forget about the idea, to steadily get some money 
by "official KDE" to organize events and to have a transparent procedure for 
this. If we get money that's nice, if not - we better try to have own 
ressources and start the paypal stuff. It looks quite interesting (yes, I 
finally had a closer look ;-). The only pity is... you have to put the money 
somewhere... and that is acutally what KDE e.V. was made for. The reason why 
KDE e.V. exists is, to put the money somewhere so that you don't have to pay 
taxes...

Does anyone know how much money one has to pay to paypal? They probably don't 
offer their services for free...

Cheers,
eva

> 
> What you need to realize is that there really is not much money in the
> League.  Our total annual budget is about the cost of a one-page-ad in a
> printed magazine.  We try to do as much with that as possible, but there
> is no way for us to compete with the $1 billion advertising campaigns
> which Microsoft launches.
> 
> Absent money, the other way to get the League to do more is for
> volunteers to contribute time.  The only one doing that right now is
> me.  If all the energy that has been spent complaining about the KDE
> League had been put into making a brochure, we would have a really nice
> brochure now.
> 
> As to publishing the League budget, I would just point out that this
> requires a League vote.  I personally don't favor it because of the
> scarcity of my time.  To do this (or its cousin, reporting what the
> League has done) takes time, not just in getting the approvals and
> making the presentation, but then in having to respond to emails from
> anyone who thinks they have a better way to spend the money, of which I
> anticipate there would be a lot (this thread being just one small
> snapshot of how everyone is interested when money is involved).  This is
> my free time, and that is not how I wish to spend it.  I already get so
> many emails to deal with that it's becoming an (unintentional) DOS
> attack.  I think I can contribute to KDE much more effectively in other
> ways.
> 
> But if someone wants to take on the role of answering emails, and doing
> it responsibly and accurately, including all the background research,
> discussions and considerations that entails, please, send me a concrete,
> credible proposal, along with your experience with such matters, and I
> will work on making this possible.
> 
> Also, it would really help to have more community input into budgeting.
> Again, I don't have the time to manage this adequately.   If someone
> wants to volunteer, in a credible way, with a long-term commitment, to
> maintain a "KDE League Outreach" or similar page on the KDE League site,
> in which you solicit community feedback and prepare a written
> presentation for the membership, that would be a quite valuable
> contribution.
> 
> I do what I can already, even if not everything I do is visible.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Dre
> /signing as Dre means I speak only for myself/
> 
> Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:
> > I agree 100% with Eva regarding the decisions, the events management and
> > all.
> > 
> > Is there anyone from The League who actually takes part in that
> > discussion?????
> > 
> > I feel that we (the non-KDE League people) are always asking questions in
> > that list that are never answered.
> > 
> > I beg someone representing the League to read this thread and to answer
> > and comment what has been said.
> > Otherwise, better close this list as I don't see the point in carrying on
> > like that.
> > 
> > Anne-Marie
> > 
> > 
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