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List:       kde-promo
Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] KDE League Issues
From:       Jono Bacon <jonobacon_lists () yahoo ! co ! uk>
Date:       2002-02-13 11:01:09
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On Tuesday 12 February 2002 3:51 pm, Philippe FREMY wrote:
> I entirely agree that the KDE League should make its actions more public.
> We all have the impression that it was once created but that absolutely
> nothing has happened since.

This is the impressiion I have had and as KDE developers, we should be kept \
in  the loop.

> Andreas told us that he was finilizing the budget someting like 6 month \
> ago and we have never heard about anything since.
> I would appreciate a periodical report of what's going on : meeting, new
> members, actions.
> I would also like to know what we can actually expect from the KDE League
> in term of support and promotion. For the moment, I would say nothing!

Similer experiences.

> I do not agree with Jono on the fact that the League should sponsor
> research or usability study. Those thing are expensive and can be done
> without money. But printing a big K poster like the one David Faure got \
> for the Linux Expo (not from the KDE League) and sending it to Expo \
> organisers is a cheap action.

What I mean is contributing to research - for example phone and travel.  \
could  do some decent research papers if I could afford the phone and \
travel  expenses.

> On a sidenote, Jono, you should be more careful. KDE and the KDE League
> don't owe you anything. Whatever you gave (and you gave much, to the
> project, thanx), you gave it for free. Every decision you make to spend
> money for helping KDE is your own. Right now, there is nothing  that \
> makes me think about any promised support, especially finicial, from \
> anyone. The T-shirts at the Paris Linux Expo were printed on Gerard's own \
> money and if none would have been sold, he would have lost 600 euros.

I realise this - and I have no problem doing 90% of my stuff for free, but \
the  last 10% I cant do without some kind of funding.

The thing which I would like to see is a guidence document on what kind of 
stuff I could possibly get funding for.

> I remember a mail from Tink one year ago expressing exactly the same
> feeling as yours. There is money but nobody knows how it is beeing spent
> and if any support is available from the League. Just like you I feel \
> this is not the way it should be done. But I won't bet any penny on a \
> financial support.
> 
> I would really prefer that the KDE League member create a non-profit
> association with an open budget and a clear stance on what is being done.

I completely agree. The LEague needs to be as open as KDE - if things are \
not  resolved it is not good for KDE or the League.

	Jono



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