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Subject:    Re: [Kde-pim] From a users point of view ....
From:       Denny <lumnis () googlemail ! com>
Date:       2012-02-24 8:19:12
Message-ID: 8167410.XvWVvJdHzG () dbhome
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Am Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2012, 22:11:25 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Am Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2012 schrieb Denny:
> > Am Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2012, 13:52:45 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> > > Dear Denny,
> > > =

> > > Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Denny:
> > > > I could spent the whole day fixing new appearing Errors and Crashes
> > > > of kde - pim.
> > > > Is this just broken by design or why isn't there a working email
> > > > client for at least 4 years?
> > > > I thought with KDE 4.7.x we were over it and at least basic things
> > > > kinda worked stable again.
> > > > With KDE 4.8 now - nothing is working anymore, just to name a few
> > > > things annoying one one on a daily basis:
> > > > - Filters: broken
> > > > - Crashes : several per day
> > > > - email Addresses not recognised as you type
> > > > - password management : broken
> > > > - several empty windows popping up from ktimetracke at login ....
> > > > =

> > > > Am I supposed to create a new profile each and every time I upgrade
> > > > to a new version and scrap all my data?
> > > =

> > > I understand your frustration.
> > > =

> > > I also find it highly frustrating when software I do use for daily
> > > work does not work as I expect.
> > > =

> > > While I understand your feelings I do think that the accusing tone I
> > > perceive in your mail does not contribute in any way to make your
> > > experience better.
> > > =

> > > So by any means there is nothing wrong with your feelings. Feel them,
> > > express them.
> > > =

> > > But please do not accuse anyone else for the pain you suffer.
> > > =

> > > Some of your options to get a different experience are in my opinion:
> > > =

> > > 1) Ask how you can help to make it happen that KDEPIM 2 holds up to
> > > your expectations.
> > =

> > I that.
> =

> ?
I did that in the past and tried to help.
> =

> > > 2) Use a different mail client.
> > =

> > While I really liked kontact and believe in the idea to share data
> > across various applications, I would not like leave, like many people
> > did in last month.
> > Besides that, unfortunately it's not that easy. Besides the hassle to
> > get everything transfered and set up, and learned to use it - there is
> > just not much choice:
> > 1. Outlook : windows only
> > 2. Apple Mail : yep, this is my backup email program when kontact
> > doesn't work. btw: version upgrades no problem, slick ,easy nice to
> > use , but mac os only
> > 3. evolution : hm, maybe
> > 4. thunderbird : if nothing else exists, but looks relly ugly under kde
> > and cluttered
> > 5. Lotus Notes :
> > 6. Chandler : looks very interesting and promising - not develped
> > anymore since 2009
> > ....
> > I spent some time the past few days searching for an alternative, so, I
> > would love find one.
> =

> Did I get it right that you think that all other mail clients are even
> less suitable for you? Are they broken by design?
Apple Mail is perfectly suitable, Outlook would do as well. So the is no, b=
ut =

you seen the reasons. Or do you suggest, I shouldn't use Linux because ther=
e =

is no suitable eMail client around.
> =

> Sorry could not resist this one.
> =

> That aside:
> =

> How about KDEPIM 4.4.5? You should be able to use your existing data with
> it.
How do I back-migrate my data from akonadi / nepomuk to the old data =

structure?
> =

> > > 3) Or use a distro that means stable when saying stable such as
> > > Debian Stable.
> > > A distro that still carries KDEPIM 1 as of 4.4.5. Even the
> > > development branches of Debian namely Wheezy and Sid - when you feel
> > > adventurous - seem to be rather stable to me and still carry KDEPIM 1
> > > for now. With Debian Stable you can still use KDEPIM 1 for at least
> > > one and a half year, in my estimation at least two years to come. Of
> > > cause there may be other distributions like maybe Centos that may
> > > carry old KDEPIM even longer.
> > =

> > Chancing a distro is not really an option, although they are all linux,
> > there are still differences one has to get used to again.
> =

> Doing a decision to relieve your frustration with KDEPIM 2 by using
> another distro with KDEPIM 1 or using a different mail client is not an
> option for you?
Using another distro: no, because im happy with it and contribute to it as =

well.
Different eMail client: please see above
> =

> Then I see two options for you:
> =

> 1) Try to compile KDEPIM 4.4.5 for yourself.
> =

> 2) Help to make KDEPIM 2 rock for you.
This is quite a lame excuse: It is simply impossible to support each an eve=
ry =

software you use, you can do some and have to live with the rest.
> =

> You might not know the exact steps for any of the two options, but I am
> sure they can be learned.
Please notice, some people might not have the time for additional tasks.
> =

> But insisting on "I am not willing to change" while demanding that KDEPIM
> developers make your KDEPIM life comfortable again will not help you much
> in my opinion.
Oh, I'm willing to change, but to what?
> =

> Don=B4t get me wrong. I do think its important to stabilize KDEPIM 2. But
> from what I can see KDEPIM and Nepomuk developers are already working on
> it. If you want to speed up the process either help or pay for
> developments and bugfixing.
I wouldn't mind paying or donating if that would give me a working email =

client. It wouldn't be the first time I donate for a free software project, =

just to cover that before I am accused again on not helping / donating  and =

just demanding.
> Otherwise it will take the time it takes until
> KDEPIM 2 is ready and no repeated complaining here will contribute
> anything to reduce that time by even one second.
That is true, but making the developers aware that people are using and =

relying on the software might help focusing development.
> =

> If you found a new issue that is not yet reported or known by all means
> report it, but otherwise either help, bear with it or use an older KDEPIM
> release or another mail client.
I did that many times in the past. Contributed to =

documentation/problemsolving...
> =

> Thanks,
cheers,

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