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Subject:    [Kde-pim] Re: kdepim-4.6 ?
From:       Kevin Ottens <ervin () kde ! org>
Date:       2011-04-07 14:18:17
Message-ID: 201104071618.23406.ervin () kde ! org
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On Thursday 7 April 2011 15:58:22 laurent Montel wrote:
> We have a real problem with kdepim-akonadi I think, we don't have release
> plan for it and it's not normal.

Thanks Laurent for bringing that up, it's pretty much needed IMO.
 
> We wanted to release it with KDE-4.5 we didn't release it and we decided to
> release with KDE-4.6 and not released.
> After that we decided to release with KDE-4.6.2 so yesterday but it was not
> released...
> 
> So I think it's time to decide if we want to release it or not and when.

I think you summarize the issue pretty well there... I think there's a lack of 
will to release at that point, and that probably comes from a lot of fear in 
our own product (likely a combination of "aftermath of KDE 4.0", how painful 
the port has been and how critical kmail is).

> As I understand there is a meta blocker bug:
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270261
> I read this two bugs... and for me it's not blockers.
> 
> There is perhaps some problems on kmail but kdepim is not just kmail
> there is kadressbook, kalarm, ktimetracker which were improved in 4.5-4.6
> but for the moment we can just use version from 4.4 and it's not good for
> developers I think.
> How we can motive new kdepim dev to fix some bugs in kdepim-trunk if they
> are not sure that we will release it a day ?

Exactly, I'm in the same boat there. I lost most of my interest in the PIM 
stack after the latest Akonadi meeting I attended, we were very close to go 
ahead with a release and never did, again based on fear. Of course, at the 
time the migration still had strong issues, and I admit that could indeed be 
considered a showstopper. But now... Most people I know who started to migrate 
are actually able to use the thing, and it didn't burn their house, didn't 
kill their pets and most importantly didn't loose data.

I even know people using master daily... Yes, kmail isn't perfect, its 4.4 
version isn't exactly a walk in the park either. korganizer seems in better 
shape than its 4.4 and so on...

Can we stop the trend based on fear and release ASAP now? It's chicken/egg 
situation now, not releasing ensure not enough stabilization work happens, and 
ensures lack of developer retention. I'm afraid that waiting for much longer 
doesn't make sense anymore.

> Perhaps we can release just kdepim-runtime-4.6 so developpers will able to
> use akonadi resource, and not wait that we release perhaps a day
> kdepim-4.6...

That one is even more critical than the rest of kdepim indeed... Right now 
it's basically impossible to start any meaningful akonadi based application to 
put in the hand of our users (like my current pet project) because said users 
are still having the kdepim runtime of 4.4... so the most interesting 
resources are crippled, seriously limiting the feature set we can offer.
 
> So I think that now it's really necessary to define a plan or decide to
> kill kdepim-akonadi.

I wouldn't kill it... But not defining a firm plan (not something we give up 
on two weeks before release) indeed gives it a gloomy fate. So yes, we need an 
aggressive plan there. We won't release a perfect product, it'll have bugs 
(bugfix releases are there though), but it doesn't loose data!
 
> If we don't define it nobody will work to fix bugs and release it.
> and I think that for kde-4.7 we will decide to wait until kde-4.8.

That's what gets me worried indeed, we got a trend there.

Could we get back on the KDE release train please?
 
Regards.
-- 
Kévin Ottens, http://ervin.ipsquad.net

KDAB - proud patron of KDE, http://www.kdab.com

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