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Subject:    [Kde-pim] Re: Do we need a Beta3?
From:       Jeffery MacEachern <j.maceachern () gmail ! com>
Date:       2010-12-10 11:32:40
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On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 03:13, Gaël Beaudoin <gaboo@gaboo.org> wrote:
> Le vendredi 10 décembre 2010 11:27:14, Andras Mantia a écrit :
> > Allen Winter wrote:
> > > Howdy,
> > > 
> > > Should I ask the Release Team to insert a third beta into the release
> > > schedule. The current schedule calls for the next tagging on 21 Dec \
> > > to be a Release Candidate.
> > > 
> > > If desired, I could ask for a 2 week extension of the schedule and we
> > > would call the 21 Dec tagging Beta3.
> > 
> > Having an extension for the beta time by itself will not help. If \
> > nobody fixes bugs, they won't go away. If developers cannot find time \
> > to work on kdepim, that's fine, but in this case we should consider of \
> > not releasing kdepim together with 4.6.0. I wish we could, but \
> > releasing in its current state will do more harm than good, as there \
> > are obvious shortcomings both in migration (very important!) and daily \
> > usage. 
> > Andras
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> 
> As a user and KDE advocate, I completly agree. I've installed 4.6 beta 1 \
> and while it's miles ahead of what was in 4.5, I've reverted to 4.4.x for \
> KDEPIM. 
> I've reported several bugs [1], most of which are rather grave IMO, none \
> of them have been fixed or commented by a developer (If I'm not wrong). \
> This is no criticism, this to say : well, it's getting really better, but \
> I really think you need to wait some more months before releasing the \
> akonadi based kdepim and let developer do their magic. I've tried to keep \
> using it, but the multiple current annoyances and bugs make it really \
> hard. 
> Having to regularly restart akonadi by hand, having the computer slow due \
> to virtuoso/nepomul indexing, impossibility to delete some emails, others \
> not shown, etc, is really hard to cope with.
> 
> On the other hand, the 4.4.x branch is rock stable and pleasant to use.
> Consider giving it more time to mature.
> 

I would have to concur.  It really is looking good, but as someone who
often runs nightlies of the whole SC on my primary machine, I still
don't consider Kontact & Co sufficient for daily use yet, due to bugs.
 I know people in the blogosphere will make a fuss if it's pushed back
further, but it's my honest opinion (with no offense meant whatsoever)
that they'll have more a of a cause for making a fuss if it's released
too early.

I guess the question I have is this: for those of use who are new
developers, power users, or other people with technical skill, but
limited or no knowledge of the KDE-PIM codebase, what can we do to
help?  I'd love to lend a hand over the Christmas break from
university, but it sounds like lack of bug reports isn't really the
issue here, and I don't know what else I can do to just jump in.

Regards,

 - Jeffery MacEachern

> Gaël
> 
> [1]
> https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=all \
> wordssubstr&short_desc=&product=kmail2&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc= \
> &bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&keywords_type=allwords&key \
> words=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_statu \
> s=REOPENED&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=gaboo%40gaboo.org&emai \
> lassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&b \
> ugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&c \
> mdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=
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