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Subject: Re: Review Request 117450: Add Milou to the default panel layout
From: "Aleix Pol Gonzalez" <aleixpol () kde ! org>
Date: 2014-04-12 10:55:43
Message-ID: 20140412105543.22681.43977 () probe ! kde ! org
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> On April 10, 2014, 9:16 a.m., Marco Martin wrote:
> > so, right now we already have two search uis added by default in the default \
> > setup: kickoff and krunner. adding a 3rd one by default, just no.
> >
> > what should be done is having the milou search ui into the kickoff search (and/or \
> > whoever will replace it in the future)
>
> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> just want to say that I think in the same line as Marco here.
>
> Vishesh Handa wrote:
> The way I see it we currently have 2 hidden ways of searching.
>
> Kick off - It's not obvious that you can starting typing and that will give search \
> results. KRunner - You need to know the shortcut
>
> Also, the quality/presentation of the search results in quite different in Kick Off \
> in comparison to KRunner / Milou.
> I don't see the Milou Search UI going into KickOff. It presents data very \
> differently than how Milou displays stuff, it would look quite strange.
> Mark Gaiser wrote:
> I very much like the idea of having Milou added there by default.
>
> Yea sure, we have kickoff and krunner. Kickoff is not at all intuitive when it \
> comes to searching. I just avoid using it when i can. Sometimes i even remove \
> kickoff and put some other menu widget there. Milou looks very much like an \
> application suitable for todays search needs. Nice and grouped. KRunner is missing \
> that overview.
> Perhaps remove krunner while making Milou the default?
>
>
> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> My concern is more on how the users will see it. Will they understand that Milou \
> and Kickoff work differently or will they think that we ship redundant features by \
> default? So yes they serve a different purpose, but from an end user perspective I \
> rather doubt it.
Let's concentrate in making Milou+KRunner fully usable and then we can iterate over \
the idea after 2.0.
It's better to have 1 fully working (albeit hidden) feature.
- Aleix
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On April 9, 2014, 3:22 p.m., Vishesh Handa wrote:
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> (Updated April 9, 2014, 3:22 p.m.)
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>
> Review request for Plasma.
>
>
> Repository: plasma-desktop
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> Description
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>
> KRunner is hidden away as it is only accessible via a shortcut. It will be nice to \
> have the plasmoid visible by default. It will not be an extra dependency as \
> plasma-workspace already depends on Milou because of KRunner.
>
> Diffs
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> desktoppackage/contents/layout.js 303e7af
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> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/117450/diff/
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> Testing
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> Thanks,
>
> Vishesh Handa
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<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <p style="margin-top: 0;">On April 10th, 2014, 9:16 a.m. UTC, <b>Marco \
Martin</b> wrote:</p> <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid \
#d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;">so, right now we already have two search uis added by default in the \
default setup: kickoff and krunner. adding a 3rd one by default, just no.
what should be done is having the milou search ui into the kickoff search (and/or \
whoever will replace it in the future)</pre> </blockquote>
<p>On April 10th, 2014, 9:20 a.m. UTC, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">just want to say that I \
think in the same line as Marco here.</pre> </blockquote>
<p>On April 10th, 2014, 9:49 a.m. UTC, <b>Vishesh Handa</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">The way I see it we \
currently have 2 hidden ways of searching.
Kick off - It's not obvious that you can starting typing and that will give \
search results. KRunner - You need to know the shortcut
Also, the quality/presentation of the search results in quite different in Kick Off \
in comparison to KRunner / Milou.
I don't see the Milou Search UI going into KickOff. It presents data very \
differently than how Milou displays stuff, it would look quite strange.</pre> \
</blockquote>
<p>On April 11th, 2014, 8:57 p.m. UTC, <b>Mark Gaiser</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">I very much like the \
idea of having Milou added there by default.
Yea sure, we have kickoff and krunner. Kickoff is not at all intuitive when it comes \
to searching. I just avoid using it when i can. Sometimes i even remove kickoff and \
put some other menu widget there. Milou looks very much like an application suitable \
for todays search needs. Nice and grouped. KRunner is missing that overview.
Perhaps remove krunner while making Milou the default?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<p>On April 12th, 2014, 6:35 a.m. UTC, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">My concern is more on \
how the users will see it. Will they understand that Milou and Kickoff work \
differently or will they think that we ship redundant features by default? So yes \
they serve a different purpose, but from an end user perspective I rather doubt \
it.</pre> </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">Let's concentrate in \
making Milou+KRunner fully usable and then we can iterate over the idea after 2.0.
It's better to have 1 fully working (albeit hidden) feature.</pre>
<br />
<p>- Aleix</p>
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<p>On April 9th, 2014, 3:22 p.m. UTC, Vishesh Handa wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Plasma.</div>
<div>By Vishesh Handa.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated April 9, 2014, 3:22 p.m.</i></p>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
plasma-desktop
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;">KRunner is hidden away as it is only accessible via a shortcut. It will \
be nice to have the plasmoid visible by default. It will not be an extra dependency \
as plasma-workspace already depends on Milou because of KRunner.</pre> </td>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
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<li>desktoppackage/contents/layout.js <span style="color: \
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