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Subject: Re: digiclock looks
From: Shantanu Tushar Jha <jhahoneyk () gmail ! com>
Date: 2010-10-25 16:21:22
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On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Sebastian Kügler <sebas@kde.org> wrote:
> On Friday, October 22, 2010 23:34:16 todd rme wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Sebastian Kügler <sebas@kde.org> wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 22, 2010 22:35:16 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > >> > Is there any way to make it so themes can specify whether it
> embossed,
> > >> > sunken, or flush? Some themes, like ASCII or ghost, would probably
> > >> > look better without the effect.
> > >>
> > >> Hm, yes probably.
> > >
> > > And with "yes probably", I mean that some themes might look better
> > > without it, but I'd rather have the default case done well and it look
> > > slightly alien on flat themes, than having it too flat in the default
> > > just so it looks good in ASCII -- optimize for the current case (in our
> > > case, the default). I think the ASCII theme, and other very flat ones
> > > are kind of corner cases.
> > >
> > > Doesn't mean it should be overdone, or that we can just ignore those
> > > themes, just that getting it better in the default theme is paramount.
> >
> > I agree completely, that's why I suggested themes be able to specify
> > whether they want it or not (and whether it is embossed or recessed).
> > That way you can focus your attention on getting it working well for
> > the default themes, and in the rare cases where it makes things worse
> > the responsibility is on the theme developer to disable it. For
> > legacy themes I agree the default should be to have it. Just looking
> > through the themes I only see a handful that I think this might look
> > worse on.
>
> Interestingly, the way the human brain interprets it on or the other way.
> "Normal" people will see a dark backdrop as a shadow, while seeing a light
> backdrop as embossed. Schizophrenic people apparently do not make this
> translation. Shadows are a common equivalent in nature for this, they're
> dark.
> Text with light backdrop will appear embossed or recessed depending on how
> the
> shadows of surrounding objects look like -- it's seen in context.
>
> Here's an interesting article on how the human brain interprets convex and
> concave shapes when viewed on 2d surfaces:
> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/schizoillusion/
> --
> sebas
>
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Hi,
Doesn't look that good on mine http://imagebin.ca/view/y8OxF3.html . The
readability varies from wallpaper to wallpaper, and it looks a bit odd when
date is on.
--
Shantanu Tushar (UTC +0530)
http://www.shantanutushar.com
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Sebastian Kügler \
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebas@kde.org">sebas@kde.org</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div></div><div \
class="h5">On Friday, October 22, 2010 23:34:16 todd rme wrote:<br> > On Fri, Oct \
22, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Sebastian Kügler <<a \
href="mailto:sebas@kde.org">sebas@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> > > On Friday, \
October 22, 2010 22:35:16 Sebastian Kügler wrote:<br> > >> > Is there any \
way to make it so themes can specify whether it embossed,<br> > >> > \
sunken, or flush? Some themes, like ASCII or ghost, would probably<br> > >> \
> look better without the effect.<br> > >><br>
> >> Hm, yes probably.<br>
> ><br>
> > And with "yes probably", I mean that some themes might look \
better<br> > > without it, but I'd rather have the default case done well \
and it look<br> > > slightly alien on flat themes, than having it too flat in \
the default<br> > > just so it looks good in ASCII -- optimize for the current \
case (in our<br> > > case, the default). I think the ASCII theme, and other \
very flat ones<br> > > are kind of corner cases.<br>
> ><br>
> > Doesn't mean it should be overdone, or that we can just ignore \
those<br> > > themes, just that getting it better in the default theme is \
paramount.<br> ><br>
> I agree completely, that's why I suggested themes be able to specify<br>
> whether they want it or not (and whether it is embossed or recessed).<br>
> That way you can focus your attention on getting it working well for<br>
> the default themes, and in the rare cases where it makes things worse<br>
> the responsibility is on the theme developer to disable it. For<br>
> legacy themes I agree the default should be to have it. Just looking<br>
> through the themes I only see a handful that I think this might look<br>
> worse on.<br>
<br>
</div></div>Interestingly, the way the human brain interprets it on or the other \
way.<br> "Normal" people will see a dark backdrop as a shadow, while seeing \
a light<br> backdrop as embossed. Schizophrenic people apparently do not make \
this<br> translation. Shadows are a common equivalent in nature for this, they're \
dark.<br> Text with light backdrop will appear embossed or recessed depending on how \
the<br> shadows of surrounding objects look like -- it's seen in context.<br>
<br>
Here's an interesting article on how the human brain interprets convex and<br>
concave shapes when viewed on 2d surfaces:<br>
<a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/schizoillusion/" \
target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/schizoillusion/</a><br> \
<div class="im">--<br> sebas<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.kde.org" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org</a> | <a \
href="http://vizZzion.org" target="_blank">http://vizZzion.org</a> | GPG Key ID: 9119 \
0EF9<br> _______________________________________________<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Hi,<br> Doesn't look that good on mine <a \
href="http://imagebin.ca/view/y8OxF3.html">http://imagebin.ca/view/y8OxF3.html</a> . \
The readability varies from wallpaper to wallpaper, and it looks a bit odd when date \
is on.<br clear="all"> <br>-- <br><div><br></div>Shantanu Tushar (UTC +0530)<br><a \
href="http://www.shantanutushar.com" \
target="_blank">http://www.shantanutushar.com</a><br>
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