--===============0368600931== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a4b328c609049373371d --001636c5a4b328c609049373371d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Sebastian K=FCgler wrote: > On Friday, October 22, 2010 23:34:16 todd rme wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Sebastian K=FCgler wro= te: > > > On Friday, October 22, 2010 22:35:16 Sebastian K=FCgler wrote: > > >> > Is there any way to make it so themes can specify whether it > embossed, > > >> > sunken, or flush? Some themes, like ASCII or ghost, would probabl= y > > >> > look better without the effect. > > >> > > >> Hm, yes probably. > > > > > > And with "yes probably", I mean that some themes might look better > > > without it, but I'd rather have the default case done well and it loo= k > > > slightly alien on flat themes, than having it too flat in the default > > > just so it looks good in ASCII -- optimize for the current case (in o= ur > > > case, the default). I think the ASCII theme, and other very flat ones > > > are kind of corner cases. > > > > > > Doesn't mean it should be overdone, or that we can just ignore those > > > themes, just that getting it better in the default theme is paramount= . > > > > I agree completely, that's why I suggested themes be able to specify > > whether they want it or not (and whether it is embossed or recessed). > > That way you can focus your attention on getting it working well for > > the default themes, and in the rare cases where it makes things worse > > the responsibility is on the theme developer to disable it. For > > legacy themes I agree the default should be to have it. Just looking > > through the themes I only see a handful that I think this might look > > worse on. > > Interestingly, the way the human brain interprets it on or the other way. > "Normal" people will see a dark backdrop as a shadow, while seeing a ligh= t > backdrop as embossed. Schizophrenic people apparently do not make this > translation. Shadows are a common equivalent in nature for this, they're > dark. > Text with light backdrop will appear embossed or recessed depending on ho= w > the > shadows of surrounding objects look like -- it's seen in context. > > Here's an interesting article on how the human brain interprets convex an= d > concave shapes when viewed on 2d surfaces: > http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/schizoillusion/ > -- > sebas > > http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 > _______________________________________________ > Plasma-devel mailing list > Plasma-devel@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel > Hi, Doesn't look that good on mine http://imagebin.ca/view/y8OxF3.html . Th= e readability varies from wallpaper to wallpaper, and it looks a bit odd when date is on. --=20 Shantanu Tushar (UTC +0530) http://www.shantanutushar.com --001636c5a4b328c609049373371d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Sebasti= an K=FCgler <sebas@kd= e.org> wrote:
On Friday, October 22, 2010 23:34:16 todd= rme wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Sebastian K=FCgler <sebas@kde.org> wrote:
> > On Friday, October 22, 2010 22:35:16 Sebastian K=FCgler wrote: > >> > Is there any way to make it so themes can specify whethe= r it embossed,
> >> > sunken, or flush? =A0Some themes, like ASCII or ghost, w= ould probably
> >> > look better without the effect.
> >>
> >> Hm, yes probably.
> >
> > And with "yes probably", I mean that some themes might = look better
> > without it, but I'd rather have the default case done well an= d it look
> > slightly alien on flat themes, than having it too flat in the def= ault
> > just so it looks good in ASCII -- optimize for the current case (= in our
> > case, the default). I think the ASCII theme, and other very flat = ones
> > are kind of corner cases.
> >
> > Doesn't mean it should be overdone, or that we can just ignor= e those
> > themes, just that getting it better in the default theme is param= ount.
>
> I agree completely, that's why I suggested themes be able to speci= fy
> whether they want it or not (and whether it is embossed or recessed).<= br> > That way you can focus your attention on getting it working well for > the default themes, and in the rare cases where it makes things worse<= br> > the responsibility is on the theme developer to disable it. =A0For
> legacy themes I agree the default should be to have it. =A0Just lookin= g
> through the themes I only see a handful that I think this might look > worse on.

Interestingly, the way the human brain interprets it on or the = other way.
"Normal" people will see a dark backdrop as a shadow, while seein= g a light
backdrop as embossed. Schizophrenic people apparently do not make this
translation. Shadows are a common equivalent in nature for this, they'r= e dark.
Text with light backdrop will appear embossed or recessed depending on how = the
shadows of surrounding objects look like -- it's seen in context.

Here's an interesting article on how the human brain interprets convex = and
concave shapes when viewed on 2d surfaces:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/schizoillusion/<= br>
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sebas

http://www.kde.org | <= a href=3D"http://vizZzion.org" target=3D"_blank">http://vizZzion.org | = GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9
_______________________________________________

Hi,
=A0=A0=A0 Doesn't look that g= ood on mine http://imagebin= .ca/view/y8OxF3.html . The readability varies from wallpaper to wallpap= er, and it looks a bit odd when date is on.

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Shantanu Tushar=A0 =A0 (UTC +0530)
http://www.shantanutushar.= com
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