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List:       kde-look
Subject:    Re: The KDE status gear
From:       Casey Allen Shobe <rivyn () mailandnews ! com>
Date:       2000-04-12 15:35:26
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delayed-mouseover selection and single-clicking in place of double-clicking is
for me highly preferable to having to double-click all over the damn place. 
However, for things such as text selection, double-clicking for word select and
triple-clicking for select all is preferable.  Of course it's also nice if
single-click selects, as is the case in many URL boxes of various browsers, but
then you have to wait, and click again in order to place the cursor, which is
annoying..  Anyways, there should be no one standard - it should be user
defineable - hell even windows lets you choose between single-click mode and
double-click mode...I think users deserve a lot more choices than that, hidden
away in "advanced view" modes.

-Rivyn

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> CP wrote:
> > 
> > Steven D'Aprano <dippy@mikka.net.au> wrote:
> > 
> [snip]
> > >Excuse me if I'm stating the obvious, but the difference between
> > >single and double clicking is fundamental, A single click *selects* an
> > >object. A double click is a *short cut* for whatever action you are
> > >most likely to do after selecting the object ie Open for icons that
> > >represent files.
> > 
> > Thats not true. There are _some_ "standards" declaring the functionality of
> > single/double clicks this way. Still there are other ways, and after all
> > the double click was just an idea of Apple, and there's no need to do everything the
> > same way. 
> 
> Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I wasn't neccessarily claiming that
> this paradigm was the only or even the best way of doing things
> (although I happen to think its pretty good, but then I'm biased - 15
> years of Mac experience dies hard). I was trying to explain the
> reasoning behind the paradigm. Its not just because Apple choose to
> use single-button mice.
> 
> > E.g. browsing the web is much easier with single clicks
> 
> Yes. URL links are de facto command buttons ("go to this URL"), except
> on odd occassions when they are better interpreted as objects ("save
> this URL").
> 
> Consistancy is all very well and good. Its an important factor in
> usability. But lets not make the mistake of thinking its the only
> factor.
> 
> > and also some filebrowsers (KDE) show that there are excellent
> > possibilities of using the single click for _the_ standard shortcut.
> 
> I grudgingly have to admit that, after a few weeks of double-clicking,
> I've settled down to single clicking icons. I'm not convinced that its
> *better*, but its certainly usable.
> 
> > >I admit the select/action (or noun/verb) paradigm can be inconsistant,
> > 
> > It actually _is_ inconsistant, it doesn't even exist (it's only a paradigm in Windoze).
> 
> I've just sent out a rather lengthly argument off-list explaining why
> the left-click/right-click paradigm is also inconsistant. Rather than
> bore you with it, since I have buckley's chance of convincing everyone
> to change KDE back to the double-click paradigm, I'll just say yes,
> there's much to be said in favour of KDE's way of doing things.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Steven D'Aprano
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