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Subject:    Re: Binding presets to shortcuts
From:       <animtim () gmail ! com>
Date:       2014-10-20 12:50:22
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PS: I forgot to say, I remember we already discussed some time ago on 
IRC  the idea to add empty shortcuts to favorite presets slots, and 
afair people liked this idea.


Le 20/10/2014 14:46, Timothée Giet a écrit :
> Le 20/10/2014 13:07, Sven Langkamp a écrit :
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Timothée Giet <animtim@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:animtim@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Le 19/10/2014 01:53, Sven Langkamp a écrit :
>>
>>         Hi,
>>
>>
>>         recently we have gotten the request to be able to bind preset
>>         to shortcuts like here:
>>         https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=123325&p=321980#p321970
>>
>>         For the feature the user should be able to save a preset into
>>         some place and access it later with a shortcut. From the
>>         request above it should also be possible to store temporary
>>         setting so the state of the brush even without an existing
>>         preset.
>>         I'm not wondering how that could be solved efficiently and
>>         see what your comments.
>>
>>
>>     I think such need will be well covered with the
>>     persistent-preset-change from mohit.
>>
>>
>>         I think there should be a number of slots where you can save
>>         a preset to bind it to a certain preset. I wonder if we need
>>         to make it possible to access a huge amount of presets or if
>>         we just need a few. For example you could have five slots and
>>         one preset in each, which would limit the number of
>>         addressable presets to five. Alternatively each slot could
>>         contain a list of preset and with each press of the shortcut
>>         (before a certain timeout) you would get to the next in the
>>         list. That would allow to have more preset to be accessible
>>         via shortcuts but make reaching a single one a bit slower.
>>
>>
>>     I think the most logical way to do it in Krita would be to add
>>     empty shortcuts for each favorite preset slot. That way, one can
>>     switch fastly between each preset kind, and can select different
>>     preset for each kind using the popup-palette to access lists. And
>>     starting with empty shortcuts, people can use the keys the want
>>     depending on keyboard type and layout.
>>
>>
>>     Really with both of these features I believe we'll have more than
>>     enough convenient and advanced ways to deal with presets for now.
>>
>>
>> I don't think that it covers the whole case as both features are 
>> indenpendent. It would still not allow to access a temporary setting 
>> with a shortcut as you would first have to make a proper preset and 
>> then save it to the popup.
>>
>
> Well I don't see the point or even how it would be sanely possible to 
> map shortcuts to brush settings out of nowhere. In practice user 
> always start from selecting an existing preset/brush and make tweak 
> from it. Now with those tweaks persistent across preset change with 
> mohit's work, it is possible to switch to temporary presets. If one 
> starts a brush from engine's default settings/really not from a 
> preset, they really should save it a preset if they intend to reuse 
> it, that's what presets are made for. Saving settings to an 
> invisible/not exposed preset only vailable with a shortcut is a bad idea.
>
>
>> Beside that I think it's hard to make show the connection to the 
>> popup palette. It may change at any time and move slots around, so 
>> it's not exactly predictable here. You would have to remember which 
>> slot is which preset.
>>
>>
>
> Yes, this has to be well designed to show the user which slot is 
> where, but it is truly a complement to the same need: to access user's 
> common "tools", wether they are original/saved preset or a tweakd 
> version of it.. Like, if I was to set shortcuts to some presets, that 
> would be exactly one for each favorite tag, that is those I always 
> use/switch very often.
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">PS: I forgot to say, I remember we
      already discussed some time ago on IRC  the idea to add empty
      shortcuts to favorite presets slots, and afair people liked this
      idea.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Le 20/10/2014 14:46, Timothée Giet a écrit :<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 20/10/2014 13:07, Sven Langkamp a
        écrit :<br>
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      <blockquote
cite="mid:CAAmsBfm-c_DotBGhuc3pmD=ergYHXdtCQB2aWG8DMF4aerPcqw@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div dir="ltr">
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM,
              Timothée Giet <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:animtim@gmail.com"
                  target="_blank">animtim@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
              wrote:<br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le
                19/10/2014 01:53, Sven Langkamp a écrit :<span class=""><br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    Hi,<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    recently we have gotten the request to be able to
                    bind preset to shortcuts like here: <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&amp;t=123325&amp;p=321980#p321970"
                      \
target="_blank">https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&amp;t=123325&amp;p=321980#p321970</a><br>
  <br>
                    For the feature the user should be able to save a
                    preset into some place and access it later with a
                    shortcut. From the request above it should also be
                    possible to store temporary setting so the state of
                    the brush even without an existing preset.<br>
                    I'm not wondering how that could be solved
                    efficiently and see what your comments.<br>
                    <br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <br>
                </span> I think such need will be well covered with the
                persistent-preset-change from mohit.<span class=""><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I
                    think there should be a number of slots where you
                    can save a preset to bind it to a certain preset. I
                    wonder if we need to make it possible to access a
                    huge amount of presets or if we just need a few. For
                    example you could have five slots and one preset in
                    each, which would limit the number of addressable
                    presets to five. Alternatively each slot could
                    contain a list of preset and with each press of the
                    shortcut (before a certain timeout) you would get to
                    the next in the list. That would allow to have more
                    preset to be accessible via shortcuts but make
                    reaching a single one a bit slower.<br>
                    <br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <br>
                </span> I think the most logical way to do it in Krita
                would be to add empty shortcuts for each favorite preset
                slot. That way, one can switch fastly between each
                preset kind, and can select different preset for each
                kind using the popup-palette to access lists. And
                starting with empty shortcuts, people can use the keys
                the want depending on keyboard type and layout.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Really with both of these features I believe we'll have
                more than enough convenient and advanced ways to deal
                with presets for now.<br>
              </blockquote>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I don't think that it covers the whole case as both
                features are indenpendent. It would still not allow to
                access a temporary setting with a shortcut as you would
                first have to make a proper preset and then save it to
                the popup.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Well I don't see the point or even how it would be sanely possible
      to map shortcuts to brush settings out of nowhere. In practice
      user always start from selecting an existing preset/brush and make
      tweak from it. Now with those tweaks persistent across preset
      change with mohit's work, it is possible to switch to temporary
      presets. If one starts a brush from engine's default
      settings/really not from a preset, they really should save it a
      preset if they intend to reuse it, that's what presets are made
      for. Saving settings to an invisible/not exposed preset only
      vailable with a shortcut is a bad idea.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote
cite="mid:CAAmsBfm-c_DotBGhuc3pmD=ergYHXdtCQB2aWG8DMF4aerPcqw@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">
        <div dir="ltr">
          <div class="gmail_extra">
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div>Beside that I think it's hard to make show the
                connection to the popup palette. It may change at any
                time and move slots around, so it's not exactly
                predictable here. You would have to remember which slot
                is which preset.</div>
            </div>
          </div>
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      <br>
      Yes, this has to be well designed to show the user which slot is
      where, but it is truly a complement to the same need: to access
      user's common "tools", wether they are original/saved preset or a
      tweakd version of it.. Like, if I was to set shortcuts to some
      presets, that would be exactly one for each favorite tag, that is
      those I always use/switch very often.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote
cite="mid:CAAmsBfm-c_DotBGhuc3pmD=ergYHXdtCQB2aWG8DMF4aerPcqw@mail.gmail.com"
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