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Subject: Re: Binding presets to shortcuts
From: <animtim () gmail ! com>
Date: 2014-10-20 12:46:30
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Le 20/10/2014 13:07, Sven Langkamp a écrit :
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Timothée Giet <animtim@gmail.com
> <mailto:animtim@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Le 19/10/2014 01:53, Sven Langkamp a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
>
> recently we have gotten the request to be able to bind preset
> to shortcuts like here:
> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=123325&p=321980#p321970
>
> For the feature the user should be able to save a preset into
> some place and access it later with a shortcut. From the
> request above it should also be possible to store temporary
> setting so the state of the brush even without an existing preset.
> I'm not wondering how that could be solved efficiently and see
> what your comments.
>
>
> I think such need will be well covered with the
> persistent-preset-change from mohit.
>
>
> I think there should be a number of slots where you can save a
> preset to bind it to a certain preset. I wonder if we need to
> make it possible to access a huge amount of presets or if we
> just need a few. For example you could have five slots and one
> preset in each, which would limit the number of addressable
> presets to five. Alternatively each slot could contain a list
> of preset and with each press of the shortcut (before a
> certain timeout) you would get to the next in the list. That
> would allow to have more preset to be accessible via shortcuts
> but make reaching a single one a bit slower.
>
>
> I think the most logical way to do it in Krita would be to add
> empty shortcuts for each favorite preset slot. That way, one can
> switch fastly between each preset kind, and can select different
> preset for each kind using the popup-palette to access lists. And
> starting with empty shortcuts, people can use the keys the want
> depending on keyboard type and layout.
>
>
> Really with both of these features I believe we'll have more than
> enough convenient and advanced ways to deal with presets for now.
>
>
> I don't think that it covers the whole case as both features are
> indenpendent. It would still not allow to access a temporary setting
> with a shortcut as you would first have to make a proper preset and
> then save it to the popup.
>
Well I don't see the point or even how it would be sanely possible to
map shortcuts to brush settings out of nowhere. In practice user always
start from selecting an existing preset/brush and make tweak from it.
Now with those tweaks persistent across preset change with mohit's work,
it is possible to switch to temporary presets. If one starts a brush
from engine's default settings/really not from a preset, they really
should save it a preset if they intend to reuse it, that's what presets
are made for. Saving settings to an invisible/not exposed preset only
vailable with a shortcut is a bad idea.
> Beside that I think it's hard to make show the connection to the popup
> palette. It may change at any time and move slots around, so it's not
> exactly predictable here. You would have to remember which slot is
> which preset.
>
>
Yes, this has to be well designed to show the user which slot is where,
but it is truly a complement to the same need: to access user's common
"tools", wether they are original/saved preset or a tweakd version of
it.. Like, if I was to set shortcuts to some presets, that would be
exactly one for each favorite tag, that is those I always use/switch
very often.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 20/10/2014 13:07, Sven Langkamp a
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM,
Timothée Giet <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:animtim@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">animtim@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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19/10/2014 01:53, Sven Langkamp a écrit :<span class=""><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
<br>
recently we have gotten the request to be able to bind
preset to shortcuts like here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=123325&p=321980#p321970"
target="_blank">https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=123325&p=321980#p321970</a><br>
<br>
For the feature the user should be able to save a
preset into some place and access it later with a
shortcut. From the request above it should also be
possible to store temporary setting so the state of
the brush even without an existing preset.<br>
I'm not wondering how that could be solved efficiently
and see what your comments.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</span>
I think such need will be well covered with the
persistent-preset-change from mohit.<span class=""><br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think there should be a number of slots where you
can save a preset to bind it to a certain preset. I
wonder if we need to make it possible to access a huge
amount of presets or if we just need a few. For
example you could have five slots and one preset in
each, which would limit the number of addressable
presets to five. Alternatively each slot could contain
a list of preset and with each press of the shortcut
(before a certain timeout) you would get to the next
in the list. That would allow to have more preset to
be accessible via shortcuts but make reaching a single
one a bit slower.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</span>
I think the most logical way to do it in Krita would be to
add empty shortcuts for each favorite preset slot. That
way, one can switch fastly between each preset kind, and
can select different preset for each kind using the
popup-palette to access lists. And starting with empty
shortcuts, people can use the keys the want depending on
keyboard type and layout.<br>
<br>
<br>
Really with both of these features I believe we'll have
more than enough convenient and advanced ways to deal with
presets for now.<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don't think that it covers the whole case as both
features are indenpendent. It would still not allow to
access a temporary setting with a shortcut as you would
first have to make a proper preset and then save it to the
popup.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Well I don't see the point or even how it would be sanely possible
to map shortcuts to brush settings out of nowhere. In practice user
always start from selecting an existing preset/brush and make tweak
from it. Now with those tweaks persistent across preset change with
mohit's work, it is possible to switch to temporary presets. If one
starts a brush from engine's default settings/really not from a
preset, they really should save it a preset if they intend to reuse
it, that's what presets are made for. Saving settings to an
invisible/not exposed preset only vailable with a shortcut is a bad
idea.<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAAmsBfm-c_DotBGhuc3pmD=ergYHXdtCQB2aWG8DMF4aerPcqw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
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<div>Beside that I think it's hard to make show the
connection to the popup palette. It may change at any time
and move slots around, so it's not exactly predictable
here. You would have to remember which slot is which
preset.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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Yes, this has to be well designed to show the user which slot is
where, but it is truly a complement to the same need: to access
user's common "tools", wether they are original/saved preset or a
tweakd version of it.. Like, if I was to set shortcuts to some
presets, that would be exactly one for each favorite tag, that is
those I always use/switch very often.<br>
<br>
<br>
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cite="mid:CAAmsBfm-c_DotBGhuc3pmD=ergYHXdtCQB2aWG8DMF4aerPcqw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
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