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List:       kde-i18n-doc
Subject:    Re: Hebrew plural forms
From:       Albert Astals Cid <aacid () kde ! org>
Date:       2023-10-18 21:56:54
Message-ID: 3790083.5WMfAHWh9x () xps15
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El dimecres, 18 d'octubre de 2023, a les 22:17:01 (CEST), Yaron Shahrabani va 
escriure:
> I bet there is :)
> The new plural form will require some string modifications in addition to
> the header.
> 
> The current formula is as follows:
> [1 - 1] %d house
> [2 - !1] %d houses
> 
> The new formula is a bit more complex:
> [1 - 1] %d house
> [2 - 2] %d/two houses
> [3 - X%10 == 0 when X is larger than 10] %d house
> [4 - !1/!2] %d houses (matches the second form in the current formula)
> 
> So one option would be just breaking all the plural strings, 

Not breaking, but marking them as fuzzy, yes, that's what the script does.

Cheers,
  Albert

> the second
> would be copying the 2nd form to the 3rd and 4th (won't break the string
> but I'll need to fix it manually).
> I can try and think of a way to handle this completely automatically but I
> don't think it's worth the trouble.
> 
> So merely changing the form is not enough.
> Thanks :)
> Yaron Shahrabani
> 
> <DevOps - Hebrew translator>
> 
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 11:08 PM Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org> wrote:
> > El dissabte, 14 d'octubre de 2023, a les 22:37:21 (CEST), Yaron Shahrabani
> > va
> > 
> > escriure:
> > > I'm really hoping we can find a way to pull this off, it'll require
> > > human
> > > resources beyond our reach.
> > > 
> > > I can try and think about a way to do this automatically but I'm afraid
> > 
> > it
> > 
> > > won't be perfect.
> > 
> > Do what automatically?
> > 
> > Change the plural definition for all files?
> > 
> > We have a script to do that.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> >   Albert
> >   
> > > Are there any examples of other languages that switched plural forms in
> > 
> > KDE
> > 
> > > along their history?
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > Yaron Shahrabani
> > > 
> > > <DevOps - Hebrew translator>
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 10:44 AM Johnny Jazeix <jazeix@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Le mar. 10 oct. 2023 Ã  09:38, Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron@gmail.com> a
> > > > 
> > > > écrit :
> > > > > So what about my first question, it only applies to new submissions?
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > It is for all the files or none. We cannot change the plural forms for
> > > > only some files.
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Johnny
> > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, Oct 7, 2023, 01:35 Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org> wrote:
> > > > >> El divendres, 6 d'octubre de 2023, a les 22:33:21 (CEST), Yaron
> > > > 
> > > > Shahrabani va
> > > > 
> > > > >> escriure:
> > > > >> > Hey, if it's only relevant for new submissions that's fine,
> > 
> > applying
> > 
> > > > that
> > > > 
> > > > >> > to all current files will be very cumbersome.
> > > > >> > Is there a way to accept both?
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> All KDE files for a given language must have the same plural
> > > > >> definition.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> 
> > > > >>   Albert
> > > > >>   
> > > > >> > Yaron Shahrabani
> > > > >> > 
> > > > >> > <DevOps - Hebrew translator>
> > > > >> > 
> > > > >> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 11:17 PM Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org>
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > El dijous, 5 d'octubre de 2023, a les 20:27:44 (CEST), Yaron
> > > > 
> > > > Shahrabani va
> > > > 
> > > > >> > > escriure:
> > > > >> > > > Over the last couple of days I ran into a problem where the
> > > > 
> > > > gettext
> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > files
> > > > >> > > > I've submitted caused all sorts of issues with Scripty.
> > > > >> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > KDE is still using the old plural form for Hebrew (2 cases):
> > > > >> > > > "Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=n != 1;\n"
> > > > >> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > Several years ago this formula was changed to reflect some
> > 
> > rare
> > 
> > > > cases in
> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > Hebrew.
> > > > >> > > > The new official formula is:
> > > > >> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n == 1) ? 0 : ((n == 2) ?
> > 
> > 1 :
> > > > ((n >
> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > 10
> > > > >> > > > && n % 10 == 0) ? 2 : 3));\n"
> > 
> > > > >> > > > This is documented here:
> > http://www.unicode.org/cldr/cldr-aux/charts/22/supplemental/language_plura
> > 
> > > > >> > > l_>
> > > > >> > > 
> > > > >> > > > rules.html
> > > > >> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > I've been using this formula for several years now.
> > > > >> > > > Some other projects implementing it:
> > > > >> > > > Weblate, Transifex, Crowding, Poedit and many others.
> > > > >> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > Since the actual cases for using this formula are rare (time
> > > > 
> > > > related
> > > > 
> > > > >> > > terms
> > > > >> > > 
> > > > >> > > > - hours, days, months, years, times) it's not always
> > 
> > necessary to
> > 
> > > > use it
> > > > 
> > > > >> > > so
> > > > >> > > 
> > > > >> > > > supporting the older formula in addition to the new one is
> > > > 
> > > > definitely a
> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > good option for now.
> > > > >> > > 
> > > > >> > > We can change to the new formula, but that means invalidating
> > 
> > all
> > 
> > > > plurals
> > > > 
> > > > >> > > that
> > > > >> > > use the nplurals=2 formula, is that ok for you?
> > > > >> > > 
> > > > >> > > Cheers,
> > > > >> > > 
> > > > >> > >   Albert
> > > > >> > >   
> > > > >> > > > Thank you,
> > > > >> > > > Yaron Shahrabani
> > > > >> > > > 
> > > > >> > > > <DevOps - Hebrew translator>




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