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Subject: [Differential] [Commented On] D4023: kformat: Make it possible to properly translate relative days o
From: Michael Pyne <noreply () phabricator ! kde ! org>
Date: 2017-01-15 14:40:28
Message-ID: 20170115144028.29412.1783.B063B12E () phabricator ! kde ! org
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mpyne added a comment.
In https://phabricator.kde.org/D4023#77304, @aacid wrote:
> Can you as a native speaker confirm this theory i've heard?
>
> If we are on "Monday 16", "Next Wednesday" means "Wednesday 25" if you want \
"Wednesday 18" you should say "This Wednesday"
Yes, if you are on a Monday the 16th, the immediate next Wednesday (18th) would \
generally be referred to as "this Wednesday" while the Wednesday following (25th) \
would be "next Wednesday".
This might not be true for all English dialects though. E.g. en_GB seems to have \
<http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/english/2006/10/this_monday_or_.html> the immediately \
following Wednesday (18th) as "Wednesday next", while the Wednesday after (25th) \
would "Wednesday week".
However if the number of days between now and then is long enough then many people \
would still refer to the later date as "next" instead of "this". This is reflected \
in some other APIs. For instance I tried adding a new calendar entry to a \
Google-based account for "next Thursday" from today (Sunday) and it added it for 4 \
days from now instead of 11 days from now. However even when adding an entry for \
"next Monday" (i.e. tomorrow or 8 days from now), Google still chose tomorrow.
As long as our behavior in the code is consistent there shouldn't be much problem \
with using "Next $day" even in en_US since we're used to computer outputs not being \
precisely reflective of natural speech, and even in the U.S. there are people who \
always use "Next $day" in their natural speech to refer to the immediately succeeding \
day.
As a result, I would keep the current scheme (at least for en_US) since that way \
there's less "magic" needed for the user in trying to decode what date the computer \
is trying to refer to.
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theory i've heard?</p>
<p>If we are on "Monday 16", "Next Wednesday" means \
"Wednesday 25" if you want "Wednesday 18" you should say \
"This Wednesday"</p></div> </blockquote>
<p>Yes, if you are on a Monday the 16th, the immediate next Wednesday (18th) would \
generally be referred to as "this Wednesday" while the Wednesday following \
(25th) would be "next Wednesday".</p>
<p>This might not be true for all English dialects though. E.g. en_GB <a \
href="http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/english/2006/10/this_monday_or_.html" \
class="remarkup-link" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">seems to have</a> the \
immediately following Wednesday (18th) as "Wednesday next", while the \
Wednesday after (25th) would "Wednesday week".</p>
<p>However if the number of days between now and then is long enough then many people \
would still refer to the later date as "next" instead of "this". \
This is reflected in some other APIs. For instance I tried adding a new calendar \
entry to a Google-based account for "next Thursday" from today (Sunday) and \
it added it for 4 days from now instead of 11 days from now. However even when \
adding an entry for "next Monday" (i.e. tomorrow or 8 days from now), \
Google still chose tomorrow.</p>
<p>As long as our behavior in the code is consistent there shouldn't be much \
problem with using "Next $day" even in en_US since we're used to \
computer outputs not being precisely reflective of natural speech, and even in the \
U.S. there are people who always use "Next $day" in their natural speech to \
refer to the immediately succeeding day.</p>
<p>As a result, I would keep the current scheme (at least for en_US) since that way \
there's less "magic" needed for the user in trying to decode what date \
the computer is trying to refer to.</p></div></div><br \
/><div><strong>REPOSITORY</strong><div><div>R244 KCoreAddons</div></div></div><br \
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/><div><strong>To: </strong>mpyne, Frameworks, kde-i18n-doc, aspotashev, aacid<br \
/><strong>Cc: </strong>aacid<br /></div>
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