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Subject: Re: Directory -> Folder in Crusader
From: Vít Pelčák <vit () pelcak ! org>
Date: 2016-05-06 7:43:41
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OK then. No problem for me.
Is there no change planned then? Just to be sure that I can start
translating changes.
=C4=8Dt 5. 5. 2016 v 19:07 odes=C3=ADlatel Frederik Schwarzer <schwarzer@kd=
e.org>
napsal:
> Am 05.05.2016 16:33 schrieb V=C3=ADt Pel=C4=8D=C3=A1k:
> > Well, I'm just bringing this up as I thought it is not appropriate
> > change.
>
> Bringing up concerns is totally fine. I was not sure about the rules
> either but then with Burkhard's link I thought it was OK.
>
>
> > How do you plan to deal with translation like:
> >
> > When checked, whenever the panel is changed (for example, by pressing
> > Tab),
> > Krusader changes the current folder in the terminal emulator.
> >
> > ? It is in CLI.
>
> I did not make the rule, I do not know any specifics about it and I do
> not have answers to every corner case.
> Even in Dolphin there are two "directories". One is clearly meant to be
> a folder but the other one is a command line option. So how should that
> be handled? You can tell Dolphin on startup, which "directories" to
> select after startup. ... But then after startup, "folders" are
> selected. Magic! :D
> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/127846/diff/1
>
> So applications where GUI interacts with CLI are clearly a corner case
> and my intention in changing the strings in Krusader was only to make
> them correspond to Dolphin's wording.
>
> As a translator, I do not have a problem in this case, because in the
> German translation we decided to not distinguish folders and directories
> for file system stuff.
>
> Regards,
> Frederik
>
>
> > =C4=8Dt 5. 5. 2016 v 12:53 odes=C3=ADlatel Frederik Schwarzer <schwarze=
r@kde.org>
> > napsal:
> >
> >> Am 04.05.2016 00:19 schrieb Albert Astals Cid:
> >> > El dimarts, 3 de maig de 2016, a les 18:32:41 CEST, Frederik Schwarz=
er
> >> > va
> >> > escriure:
> >> >> Am 03.05.2016 10:32 schrieb Burkhard L=C3=BCck:
> >> >> > Am Montag, 2. Mai 2016, 23:37:00 CEST schrieb Frederik Schwarzer:
> >> >> >> Am 02.05.2016 16:15 schrieb V=C3=ADt Pel=C4=8D=C3=A1k:
> >> >> >> > I see that there has been a change Directory -> Folder in
> Crusader.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I believe this goes against rules we have active.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > General approach is:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Directory - when real directories are meant (command is ran in
> >> >> >> > directory
> >> >> >> > ...) - typically used for low level tools and file managers.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Folder - meant for VFS - You can have loadsof virtual folders
> >> which do
> >> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> > have to be equivalent to real directory - mail folders, variou=
s
> >> >> >> > usability
> >> >> >> > folders ...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Therefore I believe that this change goes against this rule an=
d
> >> >> >> > Krusader as
> >> >> >> > file manager should use Directory, instead of Folder.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What do you guys think?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I did this change because I thought, "directories" were for
> directoy
> >> >> >> services like LDAP stuff and "folders" were for usual operating
> >> system
> >> >> >> stuff. Dolphin uses "folders" at least, that's why I changed
> >> Krusader.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Do we have rules written down for this somewhere?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >>
> http://ebn.kde.org/sanitizer/reports/extragear/utils/kdesrc-build/index.h=
t
> >> >> > ml says for example:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Prefer 'folder' over 'directory'. (Only use 'directory' for CLI)=
"
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for digging that up.
> >> >
> >> > Will someone fix the code then please?
> >>
> >> Not sure what to fix. The change in Krusader seems justified and the
> >> link Burkhard dug up was for kdesrc-build, so the CLI bit steps in
> >> there.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Frederik
> >>
>
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<div dir="ltr">OK then. No problem for me.<div><br></div><div>Is there no change \
planned then? Just to be sure that I can start translating \
changes.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">čt 5. 5. 2016 v \
19:07 odesílatel Frederik Schwarzer <<a \
href="mailto:schwarzer@kde.org">schwarzer@kde.org</a>> \
napsal:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 05.05.2016 16:33 schrieb Vít \
Pelčák:<br> > Well, I'm just bringing this up as I thought it is not \
appropriate<br> > change.<br>
<br>
Bringing up concerns is totally fine. I was not sure about the rules<br>
either but then with Burkhard's link I thought it was OK.<br>
<br>
<br>
> How do you plan to deal with translation like:<br>
><br>
> When checked, whenever the panel is changed (for example, by pressing<br>
> Tab),<br>
> Krusader changes the current folder in the terminal emulator.<br>
><br>
> ? It is in CLI.<br>
<br>
I did not make the rule, I do not know any specifics about it and I do<br>
not have answers to every corner case.<br>
Even in Dolphin there are two "directories". One is clearly meant to be<br>
a folder but the other one is a command line option. So how should that<br>
be handled? You can tell Dolphin on startup, which "directories" to<br>
select after startup. ... But then after startup, "folders" are<br>
selected. Magic! :D<br>
<a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/127846/diff/1" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/127846/diff/1</a><br> <br>
So applications where GUI interacts with CLI are clearly a corner case<br>
and my intention in changing the strings in Krusader was only to make<br>
them correspond to Dolphin's wording.<br>
<br>
As a translator, I do not have a problem in this case, because in the<br>
German translation we decided to not distinguish folders and directories<br>
for file system stuff.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Frederik<br>
<br>
<br>
> čt 5. 5. 2016 v 12:53 odesílatel Frederik Schwarzer <<a \
href="mailto:schwarzer@kde.org" target="_blank">schwarzer@kde.org</a>><br> > \
napsal:<br> ><br>
>> Am 04.05.2016 00:19 schrieb Albert Astals Cid:<br>
>> > El dimarts, 3 de maig de 2016, a les 18:32:41 CEST, Frederik \
Schwarzer<br> >> > va<br>
>> > escriure:<br>
>> >> Am 03.05.2016 10:32 schrieb Burkhard Lück:<br>
>> >> > Am Montag, 2. Mai 2016, 23:37:00 CEST schrieb Frederik \
Schwarzer:<br> >> >> >> Am 02.05.2016 16:15 schrieb Vít \
Pelčák:<br> >> >> >> > I see that there has been a change \
Directory -> Folder in Crusader.<br> >> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > I believe this goes against rules we have active.<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > General approach is:<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Directory - when real directories are meant (command \
is ran in<br> >> >> >> > directory<br>
>> >> >> > ...) - typically used for low level tools and file \
managers.<br> >> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Folder - meant for VFS - You can have loadsof virtual \
folders<br> >> which do<br>
>> >> >> > not<br>
>> >> >> > have to be equivalent to real directory - mail \
folders, various<br> >> >> >> > usability<br>
>> >> >> > folders ...<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Therefore I believe that this change goes against \
this rule and<br> >> >> >> > Krusader as<br>
>> >> >> > file manager should use Directory, instead of \
Folder.<br> >> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > What do you guys think?<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> I did this change because I thought, \
"directories" were for directoy<br> >> >> >> services \
like LDAP stuff and "folders" were for usual operating<br> >> \
system<br> >> >> >> stuff. Dolphin uses "folders" at \
least, that's why I changed<br> >> Krusader.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Do we have rules written down for this somewhere?<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> <a href="http://ebn.kde.org/sanitizer/reports/extragear/utils/kdesrc-build/index.ht" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ebn.kde.org/sanitizer/reports/extragear/utils/kdesrc-build/index.ht</a><br>
>> >> > ml says for example:<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > "Prefer 'folder' over 'directory'. (Only \
use 'directory' for CLI)"<br> >> >><br>
>> >> Thanks for digging that up.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Will someone fix the code then please?<br>
>><br>
>> Not sure what to fix. The change in Krusader seems justified and the<br>
>> link Burkhard dug up was for kdesrc-build, so the CLI bit steps in<br>
>> there.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Frederik<br>
>><br>
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