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Subject: Re: Basic words in a new language
From: Andreas Cord-Landwehr <cordlandwehr () kde ! org>
Date: 2013-08-14 17:29:35
Message-ID: 15320714.66NdcflHVA () sooner
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On Sunday 11 August 2013 19:27:16 Inge Wallin wrote:
> Ok, thanks. One thing that I don't remember if I emphasized in my first
> mail is that this list was supposed to represent a useful subset for
> somebody who wanted to study a language seriously and continue
learning
> more after these words are mastered.
For this goal the list seems good for me.
> And rather than have one file with 4000 words, I'd prefer 8 with 500
each.
I see this different. As long as we have a good hierarchy in a file, I do not
see the need to make vocabulary files artificialy small. Actually, Parley
allows quite easy to select which parts of a vocabulary file you want to
learn. So we should aim for good structured files and the problem is
resolved.
> Thanks for the feedback. Would you care to suggest an improved
structure?
Essentially, I would rename the "Other" category to "Essential Words",
rename some of the subcategories and move some other categories as
subcategories to it. (This also allows in Parly by its tree-selection mode for
learning to fine grained specify where to start learning).
My proposal:
Essential Words (was "Other")
+ Important Verbs (was "Actions" and "Common Verbs")
add "do"
add "take"
add "use"
remove "will"
+ Important Adjectives (was in "Descriptions")
+ Question Words (was "Interrogative Words")
+ Conjunctions (was "Interjections")
+ Numbers
+ Colors (was in "Descriptions")
+ Introduction (was "Greetings and polite words")
+ Directions
+ Personal Pronouns
+ Relative Pronouns (new, see last mail)
+ Measurements
+ Time and Dates (was top-level category before)
+ Quantities (new! with words like "often", "seldom", "sometimes")
Further changes:
* merge "Leisure" and "Activities"
* remove Descriptions completely (Colors and Common Adjectives better fit
in "Essential Words" and Patterns are not basic words for me)
Greetings,
Andreas
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continue learning</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> And rather than have one \
file with 4000 words, I'd prefer 8 with 500 each.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I see this different. As long as we have a good \
hierarchy in a file, I do not see the need to make vocabulary files artificialy \
small. Actually, Parley allows quite easy to select which parts of a vocabulary file \
you want to learn. So we should aim for good structured files and the problem is \
resolved.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Thanks for the feedback. \
Would you care to suggest an improved structure?</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Essentially, I would rename the "Other" \
category to "Essential Words", rename some of the subcategories and move \
some other categories as subcategories to it. (This also allows in Parly by its \
tree-selection mode for learning to fine grained specify where to start \
learning).</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">My proposal:</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Essential Words (was \
"Other")</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Important \
Verbs (was "Actions" and "Common Verbs")</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> add "do"</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> add "take"</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> add "use"</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> remove \
"will"</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Important \
Adjectives (was in "Descriptions")</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Question Words (was "Interrogative \
Words")</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ \
Conjunctions (was "Interjections")</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Numbers</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Colors (was in "Descriptions")</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Introduction (was \
"Greetings and polite words")</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Directions</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Personal Pronouns</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Relative Pronouns (new, see \
last mail)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ \
Measurements</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Time and \
Dates (was top-level category before)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+ Quantities (new! with words like \
"often", "seldom", "sometimes")</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Further changes:</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* merge "Leisure" \
and "Activities"</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">* remove Descriptions completely (Colors and Common Adjectives \
better fit in "Essential Words" and Patterns are not basic words for \
me)</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Greetings,</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Andreas</p></body></html>
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