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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Need user feedback - PPC issues
From:       Shawn Gordon <shawn () thekompany ! com>
Date:       2001-02-02 14:53:02
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Hi John,

Actually I spoke to my artist/web designer about this when you made the 
first announcement.  He works on PPC and is an artist and knows Linux very 
well, so he is a perfect candidate to test.  I've had him busy lately, but 
we spoke about it again yesterday and he is going to try to pull it down 
and check it out.

I pulled down a copy last week myself and have done a little bit of work, I 
noticed a couple of oddities, but I didn't write them down, I'll try to be 
more diligent with it next time so you have some good feedback.

Shawn

At 11:29 PM 2/1/2001, you wrote:
>I'm rewriting and reposting this from a post I made over 5 days ago on
>koffice and kimageshop lists that got no response.  Perhaps I'll have
>better luck here.
>
>If you want to have a krayon (paint program) for koffice and are using a
>bigendian machine like PowerPC please just drop me a note about whether
>or not colors and images show up correcty, or post a response here.  Red
>looks red and blue looks blue, etc. White backgrounds are white, or
>not.  If things don't look right please point me to a screenshot so I
>can assess the situation.
>
>I have no way of testing this, but I have made some changes a while back
>to address possible problems with bigendian hardware.
>
>On a related issue, I need these lists for feedback from users.  I feel
>very strongly that dealing with bug reports is not the way to design an
>application.  Further, many users who are not coders can have an
>important role in development by helping coders design apps, testing and
>feedback.  These people also are Kde developers, even if they don't
>write code.
>People who are wanting to restrict this list should stay over in
>core-development where they can have a private club for themselves.  If
>a few people unsubsribe themselves from these lists because of too much
>traffic or what they regard as off-topic threads good riddance! These
>people are very few compared to those who want an open-ended forum here
>on kde-developent for something more than posting bug assignments and
>submitting patches. Actually there is far more off-topic discussion and
>general bullshitting on the core development list than there is here.
>What hypocrisy!
>
>Often I feel that I will be denied access to these lists or have my cvs
>access revoked because somebody doesn't like my attitude or because I am
>not kissing somebody's behind. This system is based on trust and once
>trust is lost it's difficult to regain.  I can assure you that for every
>person who thinks he is too important to be bothered with traffic on
>this list which doesn't include "patches" or code analysis, ten people
>who could contribute a lot to kde development say to hell with it
>because they do not like being treated like delinquent children by hall
>monitors around here.  I already have a mamma, thank you!
>
>Often people feel more comfortable describing their needs than filing
>"wishlist" items, and such questions and suggestions should be welcomed
>here.  What is the point in attaching a patch without first discussing
>the need for the patch which may or may nor be at odds with the design
>the developers have in mind, and allowing other developers to chip in?
>This is not possible in private correspondence.
>
>Krayon is becoming a very good app but I have no way of knowing how
>others are faring with it without feedback and I always welcome
>suggestions on how to improve design and what features are needed or
>not.  All kde developers are also kde users I hope, and likewise many
>more users than you think are kde developers in their own way.
>
>Finally my shameless recruitment blurb.  I could use someone to share
>the work on Krayon development willing to put in 10-20 hours a week.
>Most other koffice apps could use the same.  So could many of the apps
>in kde cvs that are part of the regular releases.  If you are developing
>kde apps independently, please consider working on what's already in cvs
>instead.  If you can develop your own kde app you can do this work.  The
>rewards may be few but it's always more fun (and more productive)
>working with at least one other person on a project this big.
>
>John
>
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Regards,

Shawn Gordon
President
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www.thekompany.com
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