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Subject: Re: about our attitude towards M$ windows
From: weis () stud ! uni-frankfurt ! de
Date: 1999-05-29 0:02:39
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Hi,
This must be some kind of misunderstanding. The tool looks nice.
Dont have a second windows machine to test it, but I believe you :-)
However, think about a better name. One would not suggest this kind
of cool functionality behind that name.
After that I dont see a reason why we should not put it in some
KDE CVS tree != kdenonbeta. Since people seem to use it
(following the quotes you attached ) it seems to run somehow stable, or ?
Dont be frustrated. I think that problem will solve itself very fast.
Any suggestions for a better name ?
Bye
Torben
On Fri, 28 May 1999, aleXXX wrote:
> Hi,
>
> at the moment I'm really quite frustrated.
> I always thought there is an OS named Windows which is market leader and
> if we want to have success with KDE
> we should try to support useful features offered by windows (yes, there
> are some).
> What I'm speaking of is accessing windows shares in LAN's using samba.
> Since it's terrible if not even impossible to browse the windows/samba
> shares in a LAN using the command line tools,
> I'm writing a tool to simplfy this task extremely (yes, really
> extremely).
> Let's say you are connected to LAN with about 100 hosts and e.g. you
> want to have a look if somebody has a special mp3-file
> on his host (ooops).
> It is actually impossible to browse more than 3 or 4 hosts using the
> command line tools (no, I'm really not to lazy to type commands in the
> bash).
> To simplify this task I wrote kNetmon
> (http://www.rz.tu-ilmenau.de/~lekus/netmon.html, there you can find a
> screenshot too), which is at the moment in kde-nonbeta.
> With this tools accessing shares is almost as simple as under windows
> and it looks quite similar to the "network neighbourhood" in M$
> exploder, additionally supports NFS and Novell Netware(experimental),
> and other networking tools.
>
> IMO it would be really good to move this program to kdenetwork (for KDE
> 1.x for now)
> (this is actually what my mail is all about).
> It runs stable and really adds usability to linux (not only KDE), it's
> much more useful than e.g. KNU, which actually
> adds no functionality and definitely more stable then e.g. KRN (the
> newsreder), which reliable dumps core form time to time.
>
> So I wrote to Stephan Kulow, because AFAIK he is the one who is
> responsible for this stuff.
> First time I wrote to him was short before KDE 1.1 release, so it was
> too late, before 1.1.1 I didn't have very much time,
> so now it could go into 1.1.2.
> Ok, he did the work to make it compile with Qt 2.0, this was nice.
> But was followed I almost couldn't believe, it was like talking to a
> wall, not like talking to a friend.
> To summarize his statements, he said he is not connected to a LAN with
> windows-hosts, all networks he knows are UNIX-ones,
> and he doesn't like the name kNetmon, so why move it from kdenonbeta to
> kdenetwork ?
>
> (Falls ich Dich voellig falsch verstanden haben sollte, bitte ich Dich
> hiermit schon mal um Entschuldigung).
>
> I didn't believe it !
> To have success we must support this stuff, it is almost as important as
> e.g. a good mp3-player for a modern desktop.
>
> At the moment I am student at the Technical University of Ilmenau (you
> know, the best TU of germany and the town,
> where Dagmar Schipanski is from). Here there are about 3000 students,
> most of them live in hostels/ apartment huoses (soll studentenwohnheim
> heissen). In almost every of these houses the students connected their
> computers to LAN's.
> I would say more than 90 percent of the computers are running windows.
> To be not completely isolated here you have to use samba, I described
> already how awfull this is.
> All students I know which are connected to such a LAN and which are
> running Linux with KDE and especially the ones
> which just a short time ago started using linux use and like (I don't
> want to say love, but it's the only tool for this task) kNetmon.
> I started working an kNetmon in january 1998 and since the LAN's we have
> here are quite different configured ones,
> I can say that kNetmon runs well and stable with all these different
> configurations.
> You may say there is somebody working on support for the smb-protocoll
> for Konquerer for KDE 2.0.
> Ok, but kNetmon is working _NOW_ and it also supports NFS and Novell
> Netware, in the future I hope Apletalk too
> (if I find somebody who has access to such a network) and this not only
> for KDE apps, but for all apps, since it mounts the stuff.
>
> Here some comments from users and after them for the ones who understand
> german (I think many of of you) the conversation between me and Coolo.
>
> <cite>
> Subject:
> knetmon............ was sonst?! :-)))
> Date:
> Fri, 28 May 1999 13:32:55 +0200
> From:
> Stefan Lang <lang@organet.com>
> To:
> alexander.neundorf@rz.tu-ilmenau.de
>
> Hallo Alexander,
> zunaechst einmal vielen Dank, dass Du der Menschheit dieses megageile
> Teil
> hast zukommen lassen :-) ...
> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> Subject:
> KNetmon Minipatch
> Date:
> Fri, 14 May 1999 13:40:05 +0200 (CEST)
> From:
> Stephan Krings <slothkri@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
> To:
> alexander.neundorf@rz.tu-ilmenau.de
>
>
> Hallo,
> ...
> Ansonsten ein sehr praktisches Programm. Ich benutze es für ein
> kleines privates Netz, um schnell auf die Shares des Rechners meiner
> Freundin zuzugreifen.
> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> Subject:
> KNetmon
> Date:
> Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:47:55 +0200
> From:
> Dominik Kubla <kubla@netz.klinik.uni-mainz.de>
> To:
> Alexander.Neundorf@rz.tu-ilmenau.de
>
>
> Nettes Tool. Hier noch ein paar Ideen:
> ...
> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> Subject:
> so einiges zu knetmon 0.96.2
> Date:
> Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:59:24 +0100
> From:
> Kai Troester <kai.troester@rz.tu-ilmenau.de>
> Organization:
> TU-Ilmenau
> To:
> alexander.neundorf@rz.tu-ilmenau.de
>
>
> hi
> erst enmal danke fuer den knetmon. es ist ein echt nuetzliches tool das
> den umstieg von windoz auf linux echt vereinfacht.
> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> Subject:
> knetmon
> Date:
> Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:31:11 +1030
> From:
> Ben Kramer <ben@webmedia.com.au>
> Organization:
> WebMedia Australia P/L
> To:
> alexander.neundorf@rz.tu-ilmenau.de
>
> Hello !
> Good looking program, ...
> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> ubject:
> knetmon
> Date:
> Tue, 11 May 1999 21:51:19 +0200
> From:
> martinfisch@t-online.de (Martin Fischer)
> To:
> alexander.neundorf@rz.tu-ilmenau.de
>
>
> Lieber Herr Neundorf,
> in SuSE 6.0 war Ihr Tool in knetutil implementiert und hat mir gute
> Dienste geleistet.
> ...
> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> Subject:
> Re: knetmon
> Date:
> Thu, 27 May 1999 15:56:15 +0200
> From:
> Lemsi <Lemsi@gmx.de>
> Organization:
> tui-net
> To:
> aleXXX <alexander.neundorf@rz.tu-ilmenau.de>
> References:
> 1 , 2
>
>
> sach mal in welcher welt lebt denn dieser typ ? isser irgendwie komisch
> ?
> warum ist M$ denn so reich, weils keienr benutzt ? nee dieses kaestchen
> denken ist doch wohl erschuetternd. dieses von einem entwickler ... ich
> fass es nicht. ohne linux an gewisse M$ standarts zu fuehren ist es mit
> dem endsieg noch weit hin ;-)
>
> naja viel glueck weiterhin ...
> ps: ich bin auf jedenfall begeistert von deiner arbeit
> --
> A L L E S W I R D G U T . . . !
>
> LEMSI , admin of TUI-NET !
> http://www.tui-net.de
> </cite>
>
> And now my conversation with Coolo:
>
> <cite>
> aleXXX wrote:
> >
> > Stephan Kulow wrote:
> >
> > > Inzwischen sind die auch behoben und knetmon compiliert und
> installiert
> > > sauber. Einziges Problem: es macht scheinbar nichts :)
> > >
> > > Gruss, Stephan
> >
> > Hmm, da laeuft irgendwas faslch :-)Ist bei Dir samba installiert ?
> > Alles richtig konfiguriert ? (bloede frage, aber meistens liegts
> daran)
> >
> Noe, warum sollte ich auch samba installieren. Aber das kann das tool
> doch
> rausfinden.
>
> Gruss, Stephan
> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> aleXXX wrote:
> >
> > Im moment muss samba (in der neuesten version geht auch der
> novell-netware
> > kram) installiert sein,
> > sonst geht freilich nix, schliesslich ist es ja primaer dazu gedacht,
> den
> > zugriff auf windows-netzwerke zu vereinfachen.
> > Soweit ich weiss, muesste es Dir bei programmstart aber gesagt haben,
> dass es
> > das alles nicht findet und das es wohl nicht
> > gehen wird.
>
> Nun, es hat gemeckert, dass ein paar Programme nicht da sind. Warum
> heisst es denn knetmon, wenn es nicht fuers Netz, sondern nur fuer samba
> geht?
>
> Unter knetmon stelle ich mir aber ganz sicher was anderes vor.
>
> Gruss, Stephan
> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> aleXXX wrote:
> >
> > Stephan Kulow wrote:
> >
> > > Nun, es hat gemeckert, dass ein paar Programme nicht da sind. Warum
> > > heisst
> > > es denn knetmon, wenn es nicht fuers Netz, sondern nur fuer samba
> geht?
> >
> > Hauptsaechlich samba, ausserdem NFS, novell netware und einige andere
> sachen
> > ... (von mir hier die selben argumente wie oben)...
> > > Unter knetmon stelle ich mir aber ganz sicher was anderes vor.
> >
> > Da gibt es ein programm fuer windows, das heisst netmon und mit dem
> als vorbild
> > hab ich angefangen.Ich habe auch schon mal ueber einen anderen namen
> nachgedacht,
> > aber mir is nix besseres eingefallen.
>
> das mit Windows ist kein Argument und maximal sind _lokale_ Netze
> Windows-netze.
> Alles Netze, die ich kenne, laufen unter UNIX und mit NFS. Also netmon
> unter Solaris
> waere ganz sicher was anderes.
>
> Gruss, Stephan
> </cite>
>
> <cite>
> AleXXX wrote:
> > Also sehr konstruktiv war das jetzt nicht.
> >
> Muss ja nicht :)
>
> Gruss, Stephan
> </cite>
>
> Who read this may understand my bad mood at the moment.
>
> Bye
> Alex
>
>
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