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Subject: Re: "Gardening" old bugreports
From: David Jarvie <djarvie () kde ! org>
Date: 2023-01-19 9:08:29
Message-ID: 776F3790-D6DD-46C2-9755-E55A5AF3FA15 () kde ! org
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I don't think that wishlist items should be treated in the same way as actual bugs. \
Even if the original reporter is no longer interested in a wishlist report or is no \
longer contactable, the feature asked for may still be valid.
For KAlarm at least, please exclude wishlist reports from gardening processes.
On 19 January 2023 06:17:23 GMT, AnnoyingRains <annoyingrain5@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, note that we can provide exceptions when doing this, like we have
> done with Krita, (excluded from both MR and bug report cleanup). If you
> would like your project to be excluded, just let us know!
>
> Thanks
> - Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
>
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 5:07 pm, Laurent Montel <montel@kde.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > For pim* it's ok for me.
> > We have a very old bug, but pim* changed a lot.
> > Or some apps are dead (blogilo etc.)
> > A lot of bug report are duplicated or obsolete.
> >
> > Thanks for doing it.
> > Regards
> >
> > Le jeudi 19 janvier 2023, 04:04:45 CET Justin a écrit :
> > > Hi Nicolas,
> > >
> > > This has been discussed with Nate Graham directly who has approved this
> > > cleanup of Bugzilla including the messaging behind it.
> > >
> > > I am happy to discuss any concerns that people have around this. I
> > > understand Krita requested we exclude them from any gardening and that
> > > has been done, however this is the only feedback I have received.
> > >
> > > The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are still
> > > relevant by involving the users who reported them in determining if they
> > > are still valid. This increases community involvement and helps KDE as
> > > there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review the thousands upon
> > > thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in years.
> > >
> > > The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not had any
> > > activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to reinvigorate
> > > discussion on those bugs to see if they are still valid. If the user
> > > does not reply within the standard 30 day period after a bug is set to
> > > NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed by the Bug Janitor.
> > >
> > > I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care is not
> > applied.
> > >
> > > I will halt it until it is approved by more developers. However if it is
> > > decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will need to entice
> > > more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is clearly not a
> > > priority right now for the majority.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > On 19/1/23 11:05, Nicolas Fella wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > can we please put the effort of "gardening" old bugreports on hold
> > until
> > > > we figured out whether this is actually something we want to do?
> > Several
> > > > people already expressed concerns about this.
> > > >
> > > > Improperly applied such mass changes can do more harm than good. We may
> > > > close bugreports that are actually still useful just because nobody
> > > > replied on then in a relatively short timeframe.
> > > >
> > > > Properly cleaning up old bugreports is important. However, it requires
> > > > some level of care and expertise to judge whether a bugreport is still
> > > > useful. Judging by the volume of bugreports that is pinged with the
> > same
> > > > copy&paste message this care is not applied here.
> > > >
> > > > At minimum such initiatives should be announced and discussed before
> > > > doing them, to allow people to give their input on the proposal. I am
> > > > not aware of any such announcement/discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Nicolas
> >
> >
> > --
> > Laurent Montel | laurent.montel@kdab.com | KDE/Qt Senior Software
> > Engineer
> > KDAB (France) S.A.S., a KDAB Group company
> > Tel: France +33 (0)4 90 84 08 53, http://www.kdab.fr
> > KDAB - The Qt, C++ and OpenGL Experts
> >
> >
> >
--
David Jarvie
KAlarm author, KDE developer
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<html><head></head><body>I don't think that wishlist items should be treated in the \
same way as actual bugs. Even if the original reporter is no longer interested in a \
wishlist report or is no longer contactable, the feature asked for may still be \
valid.<br><br>For KAlarm at least, please exclude wishlist reports from gardening \
processes.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 January 2023 06:17:23 GMT, \
AnnoyingRains <annoyingrain5@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); \
padding-left: 1ex;"> <div dir="auto">Also, note that we can provide exceptions when \
doing this, like we have done with Krita, (excluded from both MR and bug report \
cleanup). If you would like your project to be excluded, just let us know!</div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks</div><div dir="auto">- Kye Potter, KDE \
Gardening</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On \
Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 5:07 pm, Laurent Montel <<a \
href="mailto:montel@kde.org">montel@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Hi,<br>
For pim* it's ok for me.<br>
We have a very old bug, but pim* changed a lot.<br>
Or some apps are dead (blogilo etc.)<br>
A lot of bug report are duplicated or obsolete.<br>
<br>
Thanks for doing it.<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Le jeudi 19 janvier 2023, 04:04:45 CET Justin a écrit :<br>
> Hi Nicolas,<br>
> <br>
> This has been discussed with Nate Graham directly who has approved this<br>
> cleanup of Bugzilla including the messaging behind it.<br>
> <br>
> I am happy to discuss any concerns that people have around this. I<br>
> understand Krita requested we exclude them from any gardening and that<br>
> has been done, however this is the only feedback I have received.<br>
> <br>
> The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are still<br>
> relevant by involving the users who reported them in determining if they<br>
> are still valid. This increases community involvement and helps KDE as<br>
> there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review the thousands upon<br>
> thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in years.<br>
> <br>
> The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not had any<br>
> activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to reinvigorate<br>
> discussion on those bugs to see if they are still valid. If the user<br>
> does not reply within the standard 30 day period after a bug is set to<br>
> NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed by the Bug Janitor.<br>
> <br>
> I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care is not applied.<br>
> <br>
> I will halt it until it is approved by more developers. However if it is<br>
> decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will need to entice<br>
> more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is clearly not a<br>
> priority right now for the majority.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Justin<br>
> <br>
> On 19/1/23 11:05, Nicolas Fella wrote:<br>
> > Hi,<br>
> > <br>
> > can we please put the effort of "gardening" old bugreports on hold \
until<br> > > we figured out whether this is actually something we want to do? \
Several<br> > > people already expressed concerns about this.<br>
> > <br>
> > Improperly applied such mass changes can do more harm than good. We may<br>
> > close bugreports that are actually still useful just because nobody<br>
> > replied on then in a relatively short timeframe.<br>
> > <br>
> > Properly cleaning up old bugreports is important. However, it requires<br>
> > some level of care and expertise to judge whether a bugreport is still<br>
> > useful. Judging by the volume of bugreports that is pinged with the \
same<br> > > copy&paste message this care is not applied here.<br>
> > <br>
> > At minimum such initiatives should be announced and discussed before<br>
> > doing them, to allow people to give their input on the proposal. I am<br>
> > not aware of any such announcement/discussion.<br>
> > <br>
> > Cheers<br>
> > <br>
> > Nicolas<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Laurent Montel | <a href="mailto:laurent.montel@kdab.com" \
target="_blank">laurent.montel@kdab.com</a> | KDE/Qt Senior Software Engineer <br> \
KDAB (France) S.A.S., a KDAB Group company<br>
Tel: France +33 (0)4 90 84 08 53, <a href="http://www.kdab.fr" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">http://www.kdab.fr</a><br> KDAB - The Qt, C++ and OpenGL Experts<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div>
</blockquote></div>--<br>David Jarvie<br>KAlarm author, KDE \
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